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Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:21 pm
by circumspice
Next question Min. How do you pronounce Buttes?
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by Minimalist » 24 Jan 2010, 17:22
Byoots
B as in banana
y as in yew
oo as moo
all in one syllable
Say BEAUT, as in beauty without the "y".
This discussion reminds me of a comedy routine from 'Firesign Theatre'...
"That's a butte" (beaut)
"No, it's a mount"
"And right pretty too. Can you move it? Railroad's coming through... right now!"
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:25 pm
by circumspice
Digit wrote:Ta! Where does the name come from Min, any idea?
Roy.
Word Origin & History
butte
1805, Amer.Eng., from Fr., from O.Fr. butte "mound, knoll" (see butt (n.3)).
Also:
butte (byōōt)
n. Chiefly Western U.S.
A hill that rises abruptly from the surrounding area and has sloping sides and a flat top.
[French, from Old French butt, mound behind targets; see butt3.]
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:01 pm
by Minimalist
Vive L' France!
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:12 am
by Rokcet Scientist
Isn't/wasn't Butte, Montana, the Gulag Archipelago of the federal government?
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:48 am
by E.P. Grondine
Minimalist wrote:They run guided tours along the rim. Didn't see anything about trails to the bottom. As E.P. says, that would not be for the faint of heart.
Going down would be difficult enough but climbing back up would require the stamina of a marathoner. Remember that the entire Colorado Plateau is already 6,000 feet up or so and the air is already a bit thin. We were hiking a bit around Sedona which is a thousand feet lower and I thought I was having a heart attack.
That Subway looked pretty good by the time we got to it.
Usually Subway meats and cheeses are sliced so thin that they look like pictures of meat and cheese, but the one at Barringer Crater was pretty generous.
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:59 am
by E.P. Grondine
Rokcet Scientist wrote:Minimalist wrote:
Closing my eyes for a second visualising this particular impact makes me shudder. That will have been one impressive explosion...
Anyone know how this one would rate in comparison to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
The whole of scaling laws, which relate explosions to crater size, have "defense" uses in regards to the effects of nuclear weapons. The best public set are referred to in a footnote in "Man and Impact in the Americas".
An estimate of the force of the Barringer impact may be found here:
http://www.meteorcrater.com/
Note that the Barringer impact resulted in the production of 14C and 10Be, and you can see that in the spike in the INTCAL98 calibration charts around 44,000 BCE. This information may someday be used to refine the scaling laws, but since my stroke such work is sadly well beyond me now.
The Barringer impact may go a long way towards explaining the current landscape of the area.
Blast effects: initial detonation releases enoung IR to set everything on fire within a large range; blast overpressures rupture the lungs of any air breathing animals over a large range; then there is a rain of molten rock over a large area.
All of the material from the crater.
Not a good day.
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:52 pm
by kbs2244
Well, I just learned something.
Now can someone translate and give me the history behind the
“Gran Teton” mountions?
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:33 am
by Digit
EP Will Love This - Antarctica's Tunguska Event
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:08 pm
by circumspice
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:33 pm
by wxsby
Space typically rocks enter the atmosphere doing a crisp 40 to 60 times the speed of sound. Even when they don't hit the ground they can explode as they become superheated in the atmosphere. When that happens, the heat and shockwave keeps traveling toward Earth's surface. In the desert, such firestorms can leave behind huge swaths of glassy, melted sand behind. In Siberia in 1908, the Tunguska explosion tossed thousands of acres of full-grown trees to the ground like matchsticks.
Wonder what effects such an airburst would have over water, as most likely 2/3or so of them have been...
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:44 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
wxsby wrote:Space typically rocks enter the atmosphere doing a crisp 40 to 60 times the speed of sound. Even when they don't hit the ground they can explode as they become superheated in the atmosphere. When that happens, the heat and shockwave keeps traveling toward Earth's surface. In the desert, such firestorms can leave behind huge swaths of glassy, melted sand behind. In Siberia in 1908, the Tunguska explosion tossed thousands of acres of full-grown trees to the ground like matchsticks.
Wonder what effects such an airburst would have over water, as most likely 2/3or so of them have been...
A ginormous tsunami and a lot of boiled fish.
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:24 pm
by circumspice
Rokcet Scientist wrote:wxsby wrote:Space typically rocks enter the atmosphere doing a crisp 40 to 60 times the speed of sound. Even when they don't hit the ground they can explode as they become superheated in the atmosphere. When that happens, the heat and shockwave keeps traveling toward Earth's surface. In the desert, such firestorms can leave behind huge swaths of glassy, melted sand behind. In Siberia in 1908, the Tunguska explosion tossed thousands of acres of full-grown trees to the ground like matchsticks.
Wonder what effects such an airburst would have over water, as most likely 2/3or so of them have been...
A ginormous tsunami and a lot of boiled fish.
YUMMY! FISH STEW!!! 
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:26 pm
by uniface
Guts and all . . .

Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:06 pm
by dannan14
uniface wrote:Guts and all . . .

Just like anchovies
Re: EP Will Love This
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:10 am
by gunny
My favorite crater story is the airliner flying when the pilot calls the passengers attention to the crater below the starboard side. The blond flight attendant looks out and says--"WOW IT ALMOST HIT THE ROAD"