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Losing its wannabe characteristics in a few generations.

Not if you keep breeding back to the mammoth stock DNA. Eventually the Elephant DNA will be lost, as appears to be the case, possibly, with HSN X HSS.

Roy.

In Dawkins' latest "The Greatest Show on Earth" he recounts an experiment by he Russians to create "tame" foxes. I'll re-cap it later, this is going to be a busy morning.

Minimalist wrote:In Dawkins' latest "The Greatest Show on Earth" he recounts an experiment by he Russians to create "tame" foxes. I'll re-cap it later, this is going to be a busy morning.

Yep, they became barking, tail-wagging lapdogs and lost their typical fox coat.

Close.

Unfortunately the Google.Books preview starts at the bottom of page 73 and omits pages 75 and 77. But....you should be able to get some idea.
http://books.google.com/books?id=U8AFxm ... q=&f=false



Page 75 contains a picture on 60% of the page. The text mentions that after 10 generations of breeding for tameness, 18% were 'elite'; after 20 generations 35 % and after 30-35 generations, 'domesticated elite' individuals constituted between 70 and 80 percent of the experimental population.

IT then goes on to talk about the unexpected side effects of breeding for tameness and the preview picks up on page 76.

At the risk of being thought a boor (a point probably passed long ago), the change is profound. But there's nothing of "evolution" about it. The altered characteristics are just what's already "in there" coming to the fore. No ? Like sleeping Beauty awakening. It's not like their tails are becoming prehensile, or their toe pads are turning into fingers. (?)

You aren't demanding to see a crocoduck, are you uni?

Minimalist wrote:You aren't demanding to see a crocoduck, are you uni?

i'd settle for a centaur or minotaur.

OK, Discovery channel answered all the questions about Tutankhamen and his parents tonight. Akhenaten was his father. They found his mummy, for sure. They know which mummy was Tut's mom, but not who she is. It was a pretty good show. Zahi wasn't near the showboat he usually is. He traced it all down and tied up a lot of loose ends. I was impressed. http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/king- ... ry-channel Actually I think part of it was on Sunday. I Tivoed it and watched it last night.

Frank Harrist wrote:OK, Discovery channel answered all the questions about Tutankhamen and his parents tonight. Akhenaten was his father. They found his mummy, for sure. They know which mummy was Tut's mom, but not who she is. It was a pretty good show. Zahi wasn't near the showboat he usually is. He traced it all down and tied up a lot of loose ends. I was impressed. http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/king- ... ry-channel Actually I think part of it was on Sunday. I Tivoed it and watched it last night.

You know Zahi is the king of bollocks, Frank! Why should this time be any different? So I'd be very wary of his statements.

Can you upload that file/show for us to see, please?

You could upload it – using e.g. http://www.wetransfer.com/ – to your own email address, then open that email message, copy the link that's in it, and post it here for us to enable download.

dannan14 wrote:

Minimalist wrote:You aren't demanding to see a crocoduck, are you uni?

i'd settle for a centaur or minotaur.

More mythology?


How about a griffon, a unicorn or a dragon?

Rokcet Scientist wrote:

Frank Harrist wrote:OK, Discovery channel answered all the questions about Tutankhamen and his parents tonight. Akhenaten was his father. They found his mummy, for sure. They know which mummy was Tut's mom, but not who she is. It was a pretty good show. Zahi wasn't near the showboat he usually is. He traced it all down and tied up a lot of loose ends. I was impressed. http://heritage-key.com/blogs/ann/king- ... ry-channel Actually I think part of it was on Sunday. I Tivoed it and watched it last night.

You know Zahi is the king of bollocks, Frank! Why should this time be any different? So I'd be very wary of his statements.

Can you upload that file/show for us to see, please?

You could upload it – using e.g. http://www.wetransfer.com/ – to your own email address, then open that email message, copy the link that's in it, and post it here for us to enable download.

Zahi wasn't doing this alone. I'm with you on your opinion of Zahi. I agree, but he did a pretty good job this time and didn't even piss me off. I deleted the program after I watched it. Sorry. I was satisfied with the proof they presented. I'm not easily satisfied in that respect. Watch for it on Discovery or one of those other channels that recycles old documentaries. Zahi used lots of experts to help him. He chased down leads and then had experts to test the DNA. They were pretty thorough. First time in a while that I'm buying what Zahi's pushing.

Frank Harrist wrote: I deleted the program after I watched it.

And I take it you don't have an automatic incremental backup scheme rollin' that you could restore it from?
Oh well, shit happens.
But perhaps this episode might lead you to want to consider installing that automatic incremental backup scheme. For 1) your data security – because harddisks fail all the time, and always without notice..., and 2) to be able to resurrect stuff like this also after you deleted it.

Setting up an automatic incremental backup scheme is extremely simple, a 3 minute job (on a Mac), and once done you can forget about it, because it happens fully automatically in the background.

Here's a handful of applications, including freeware and shareware, that you can probably use one of to set it up (assuming you work under Windows; so I haven't been able to test them):

http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs.ph ... &submit=Go

Macs have the built-in TimeMachine software (http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-mac ... chine.html) which works fabulously and super transparently. Used it for years. I highly recommend it.

You will need an external harddisk. But harddisk storage has never been cheaper than today: 1 terabyte (1TB; = 1,000GB – gigabytes) goes for well under 100 US$ now. That will probably keep you covered for at least 5 years.

Just my 2 cents...

http://dsc.discovery.com/

See if you can see some of the videos on their web site.

Minimalist wrote:http://dsc.discovery.com/

See if you can see some of the videos on their web site.

Thanks, but there's just a couple 90 second clips there, unfortunately. Not the whole episode.

Here's some inspiration for ya, Frank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbK5yyn89IQ