And what exactly do you understand as Zionism?
Roy.
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uniface
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Apparently, a historical fact with wide ramifications in a number of areas that you seem unwilling to acknowledge as such, preferring to play reduce-facts-to-definitions-and-quibble-over-them as a sort of substitute for engagement with it.
In any case, the parallel is adequately clear, and adequately telling. When only one side of a matter is presented, as if no alternative view existed or had anything valid to say, you are reading faith-based propaganda, whatever the specific faith being promoted.
That much, at least, should be self-evident.
In any case, the parallel is adequately clear, and adequately telling. When only one side of a matter is presented, as if no alternative view existed or had anything valid to say, you are reading faith-based propaganda, whatever the specific faith being promoted.
That much, at least, should be self-evident.
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You haven't told me what they are yet so how can I be unwilling to acknowledge them?unwilling to acknowledge as such,
You're spouting rubbish again aren't you?
Roy.
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uniface
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You and ClintonAnd what exactly do you understand as Zionism?
Story has it that he once asked his daughter Chelsea whether she'd had sex yet.
She answered him with, "It depends on what you mean by 'sex.' "
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The reason I asked was simply to prevent any misunderstanding, you see Uni I fully understand that you are anti semitic, but you might be surprised to understand that I defend your right to your opinion.
The trouble is that every other anti semite of my aquaintance has based his views on complete ignorance and bias.
I was simply curious as to why in your case.
Roy.
The trouble is that every other anti semite of my aquaintance has based his views on complete ignorance and bias.
I was simply curious as to why in your case.
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
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The garden variety trigger words ("evolutionist," "creationist") have at least some grounding in reality OR reason, however tenuous. "Anti-semite" is complete loonytunes.
Anti-semite (n.)
1) Anyone who hates Jews -- even one, and with good reason.
2) Anyone hated BY Jews -- even by one, and for no good reason.
This, by exclusion, leaves . . . Jews ?
Not so. Given the habitual vituperation by Zionists of their non-Zionist and anti-Zionist fellows as "self-hating Jews," an "anti-semite" (aka "hater") is, in practice, anyone and everyone on earth who is not a Zionist.
Not only is the concept a joke, but it is a lie into the bargain.
The Sephardim and Arabic Palestinians are Semites.
The Ashkenazim throwing the term around are NOT Semites.
In the real world (if not in their fantasies), the most vicious anti-semites on earth are the Zionists themselves.
Oh brave new world !
Anti-semite (n.)
1) Anyone who hates Jews -- even one, and with good reason.
2) Anyone hated BY Jews -- even by one, and for no good reason.
This, by exclusion, leaves . . . Jews ?
Not so. Given the habitual vituperation by Zionists of their non-Zionist and anti-Zionist fellows as "self-hating Jews," an "anti-semite" (aka "hater") is, in practice, anyone and everyone on earth who is not a Zionist.
Not only is the concept a joke, but it is a lie into the bargain.
The Sephardim and Arabic Palestinians are Semites.
The Ashkenazim throwing the term around are NOT Semites.
In the real world (if not in their fantasies), the most vicious anti-semites on earth are the Zionists themselves.
Oh brave new world !
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Ashkanazim are indeed not semites, anyone with any knowledge is aware of that fact.
Also what is your 'good reason' for hating Jews?
I am a Jew simply because of a coupling by my Jewish mother with my atheistic father, does that strike you as a sensible, logical or intelligent reason for hating someone?
You might just as well hate someone because they have big ears, in both cases the outcome of their parent's coupling was something they had no control over was it?
Also how do you define a Zionist out of curiosity?
Roy.
So anyone who hates Jews but without good reason is then obviously not an anti semite, so what are they?1) Anyone who hates Jews -- even one, and with good reason.
Also what is your 'good reason' for hating Jews?
I am a Jew simply because of a coupling by my Jewish mother with my atheistic father, does that strike you as a sensible, logical or intelligent reason for hating someone?
You might just as well hate someone because they have big ears, in both cases the outcome of their parent's coupling was something they had no control over was it?
Also how do you define a Zionist out of curiosity?
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
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uniface
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Using terms concocted by lunatics results only in lunatic imaginings being taken as approximations of reality by force of repetition.
You have not heard -- nor will you hear -- me disparage Jews because they are Jews.
If you want to circle your wagons and defend the indefensible because it is part and parcel of what you regard as "you," that choice is yours.
It does strike me as beyond odd though that, after the scriptures are dismissed as fables and belief in evolution is substituted for belief in them, claim to the title deed of Palestine (and by any means necessary) is lifted from them and invested with credence. By the same people who dismissed them.
Then again, a foolish consistency is the hobble of small minds ?
You have not heard -- nor will you hear -- me disparage Jews because they are Jews.
If you want to circle your wagons and defend the indefensible because it is part and parcel of what you regard as "you," that choice is yours.
It does strike me as beyond odd though that, after the scriptures are dismissed as fables and belief in evolution is substituted for belief in them, claim to the title deed of Palestine (and by any means necessary) is lifted from them and invested with credence. By the same people who dismissed them.
Then again, a foolish consistency is the hobble of small minds ?
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The differentiation between Jews and Zionists is a recent development that occurred as Jew hating became associated with Nazism, you may not be old enough to be aware of the development.
So okay, if you wish to split the terms, why do you hate Zionists and what is your definition of a Zionist? The reason I ask is because of your statement that Zionists hate non-Zionists, and I'm now somewhat confused.
Roy.
So okay, if you wish to split the terms, why do you hate Zionists and what is your definition of a Zionist? The reason I ask is because of your statement that Zionists hate non-Zionists, and I'm now somewhat confused.
Roy.
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Rokcet Scientist
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A zionist is one who's goal is Zion. Zion is the Jewish state of Israel, the promised land, which obviously includes Jerusalem and the west bank, and in which there is no place for non-Jews.Digit wrote: definition of a Zionist?
I.o.w. Zionism would be folksy flavored fascism if it wasn't so violent, ruthless, and – here we go again – fundamentalistic!
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Most Israelis are secular actually RS.
Roy.
Roy.
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Rokcet Scientist
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Sure, Roy, but it's the religious Jews that are running the country, and are holding the secular Jews to ransom. And all of them – religious or secular – are ethnic and cultural Jews! Fundamentalism isn't just religious.Digit wrote:Most Israelis are secular actually RS.
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Granted, but one of the things that always puzzles me about sniping at Israel is that simmilar traits/faults in other nations/peoples are consistantly ignored.
Fundamentalism, of any kind, is not exactly confined to either Israel or Jews is it?
Roy.
Fundamentalism, of any kind, is not exactly confined to either Israel or Jews is it?
Roy.
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Rokcet Scientist
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No, those other nations get hammered when they ignore a UN resolution (e.g. Serbia/Kosovo). Israel has ignored dozens of those but hides behind the protection of the USA and so avoids being hammered. "Sniping" is a kid glove treatment: they should be kicked out of the UN at the very least! Along with their protector which hasn't paid its UN dues for the last 50 years and covers for Israel's illegal policies, and is therefore at least as guilty.Digit wrote:Granted, but one of the things that always puzzles me about sniping at Israel is that simmilar traits/faults in other nations/peoples are consistantly ignored.
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So once again you are suggesting that Israel is a sole offender. Why?
Roy.
Roy.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt