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Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:32 am
by Minimalist
"Theoretically?" Yes.
Practically? Not so much.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:47 am
by Digit
So in other words the religion could change but the people would remain the same?
Roy.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:14 am
by Minimalist
The Crusaders changed the religion of Jerusalem by massacring the Moslems and Jews in residence. The Romans changed the religion of Jerusalem by evicting the Jews from the region and bringing in their own settlers.
For that matter, the Hasmoneans changed the religion of Galilee to Judaism by forcible conversion ( or presumably death for the reluctant) and the Moslems were known to employ that matter on occasion themselves. The Xtians in Spain also issued a "convert or die" order to Jews. The overall success of these edicts is always open to question.
As Jefferson noted:
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
So, yes, people can change religion but when doing so under duress one always must question the depth of the conversion.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:28 am
by Digit
Granted all that Min, but they did not wipe out a complete people....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ern_Levant
...I think this is a pretty fair assessment of Levantine history.
So, yes, people can change religion but when doing so under duress one always must question the depth of the conversion.
Exactly my point, so sod their 'religion', the same mix of people, the Leventine is very mixed racially, have lived there for generations, and whatever their 'current religion' it was probably different generations ago.
For example, Mahmoud Abbas, if he were to trace his roots, if possible, back to before Mohammed, he could well find that his ancestors were 'Christians or Jews!'
Roy.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:50 pm
by Minimalist
Alright, but I don't see what that has to do with Graham Phillips and his regrettable tendency to take a fact or quasi-fact from the Middle Bronze Age and then combine it with a similar "fact" from the Hellenistic Era and then fuse them together into a book?
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:58 pm
by Digit
Absolutely nothing Min, but you're not expecting us to stay on topic are you!?
Roy.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:41 pm
by Minimalist
Sorry...lost my head for a moment, there.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:44 pm
by Digit
Roy.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:35 pm
by dannan14
Minimalist wrote:Sorry...lost my head for a moment, there.
Perhaps you should drink more. Maybe it will help keep you on the right track.
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:47 pm
by Minimalist
Or less...........
Re: Graham Phillips' Moses Legacy
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:13 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
I recommend the occasional THC dose from looong experience. Not physically addictive as booze is. And most importantly: no hangover in the morning!
Time for another roach!
