Neandertal/Neanderthal

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:32 pm

thats beause yours are always rubbish and not backed by any credible evidence

Leona Conner · Post by **Leona Conner** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:09 pm

He doesn't need to produce evidence, he has the Bible which is all he needs. Sad.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:14 pm

He doesn't need to produce evidence

well he can't anyway because there isn't any

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:28 pm

Marduk and Leona, the Bible has never been demonstrated to have any historical inaccuracies, whatsoever, therefore, since I assume you can't name another ancient history book of similar scope, time range, and attention to detail, with no inaccuracies, for you to disparage this roadmap for Middle Eastern archaeological studies is irrationality in spades, it doesn't look good for you, very irrational.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:37 pm

archaeologist wrote:minimalist, i don't care about your point by point diatribes. you do more work avoiding answering the questions than it would take to answer them honestly.

so since you can't defend your 'scientific' position or theory what good are you or it? here is what the lack of response tells me:

1. you have no credibility

2. you can't defend what you accept or believe

3. you can't allow criticism or close scrutiny

4. you can't face the reality that what is stated in that and similar articles are a flimsy house of cards and the realization of how fragile it is is too much for you too consider thus you keep pretending that one day proof will be found and you can rest in your acceptance.

i tell my students to not be afraid to ask questions if they want to learn something, so i must do it as well but one can't learn when the questions are ignored.

all you have done is proven how false that type of thinking is. by the way, when i was growing up, neanderthals were taught in elementery science classes, there is nothing advanced about it.

i will wait another day then re-post the questions and see if i get a response then.

Arch, you are full of shit.

I'm still waiting for your answers to the Noah's Flood questions which you demanded be answered and then you vanished when they were.

P-H-O-N-Y.

Learn to spell.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:42 pm

Marduk and Leona, the Bible has never been demonstrated to have any historical inaccuracies, whatsoever

are you seriously trying to tell me that On (Heliopolis was built by the israelites)

and that the plain where Zigguats were built was called Shinar
laughable Jim
its full of inaccuracies
how about talking serpents in trees ?
don't they count ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:10 pm

Marduk, does the Bible really say that the Israelites built Heliopolis?

The region of Ur, of Sumer, was known by different names by different people groups, don't you think?

How 'bout Shumer, Shinar? (So, will you say, "no, impossible?")

The dragon of Wales which you mentioned came from where?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:58 pm

Marduk, does the Bible really say that the Israelites built Heliopolis?

obviously the KJV version doesn't because they edited it out because they knew it wasn't true
but its in the original

Exodus 1:11
And he set over them taskmasters, who afflicted
them in their works; and they built strong cities for Pharaoh, both Pithom, and Raamses, and On, which is Heliopolis.

and the city of On was there in predynastic times

Heliopolis has been occupied since the Predynastic Period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolis_%28ancient%29

and as for them calling it Shinar
well thats a Hebrew word Jim

Genesis 11:2
And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

they claim to have built the first Ziggurat and called it the tower of Babel
the oldest Ziggurat in Sumeria was built around 5000bce
and Hebrew didn't exist as a language
so why didn't they just say Sumer

heres why Jim
they said they built Heliopolis because the Exodus story is fiction based on events that they knew about in times contemporary with the writing of the bible (around 700bce)
and they said the tower was called Babel because that was contemporary with the Bible (around 700bce)

should i mention that they claimed that Abraham lived in Ur of the chaldees
well Ur wasn't a chaldean city til around....... , can you guess what date Jim?

The dragon of Wales which you mentioned came from where?

the red Dragon of Wales was the symbol of Dewi the agricultural God of the welsh group of pagan deities "the children of Don" and predates christianity by quite alarge margin
these days he's called St David
St David in welsh is "Dewi Sant"

Saints are supposed to be real people who are beatified and then canonized by the church. but theres no evidence that St David ever existed
bit like St George who somehow managed to vanquish a dragon in england without ever leaving Turkey
or St Patrick banishing snakes from Ireland which were never there
or even like St Columba who banished the Loch Ness Monster

you don't believe in the Loch Ness Monster do you Jim
your church does
thats how credible its belief system is when you actually look at it
ancient folklore gone bonkers and used to control people
people like you and Arch

not people like me
try someone else eh

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:02 am

***postscript--- the word 'you' used in my numbered post were used in the general and not specific sense and was not refering to minimalist specifically.***

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:12 am

Arch - I'll have to start another thread on Neandertal at some time. When I do, you need to stay out and not post in it. This one is ruined because you brought this mess to it.

This is exactly what I have been saying about you.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:38 am

Arch - I'll have to start another thread on Neandertal at some time. When I do, you need to stay out and not post in it.

don't bother, you have no credibility nor are there any such people as neanderthals.

if you had answered the questions maybe marduk and minimalist wouldn't have posted in this thread in such a fashion. what i asked were legitmate inquiries looking for more information which none of you could supply.

how do you expect to have a discussion if all you get are rubber stamped replies? then how can you expect people to take you seriously if you cannot defend your theory or provide answers to simple questions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:42 am

Marduk. "They built strong cities," perhaps merely fortifying the pre-exsistent temple complexes from circa 2100 B.C.

At the time of the Israel's stay in Egypt, things were beginning to get tense for the Egyptians, the glory days of Sesostris I were coming to an end, the Libyans, Hittites, Canaanites, and Nubians (not to mention the Atlantioi and Mycenaeans) were applying pressure from all sides, so things were getting tough for the Egyptians, time to fortify.

Marduk, what was built in Egypt during "pre-dynastic times?" How do you know that whatever you cite was from long before "dynastic" constructions, carbon 14 dating? Ahahahahahahahah.

The very fact that the Israeli's knew about Sumer (Shumer, Shinar) shows that Abraham, Terah, and Arphaxad, had "been there, done that," and besides, if Sumer had died-out about supposedly a thousand years before Moses, then how did he know about Shumer (Chuck Shumer may be named after Sumer, who'd have thunk it?)

Hundreds of ancient traditions from disparate people-groups have ancient recollections of the confusion of the languages at the big ziggaraut in the old homeland, so they were all wrong, Marduk? And what are the odds that seemingly disparate people-groups from various parts of the globe would have all dreamed-up such an "unlikely" tale? Maybe one in a billion?

When you get off into old Catholic history, you kinda' loose me, not much interest for me there, because they did do some strange things, not to be defended. Augustine (Roman?) did a real number on the burgeoning body of believers in England when he came over to slaughter their leaders, and destroy their books.

The "children of Don," hmmm, Dan, Shardana, Danube, Don, Denmark, must have been by that aggressive tribe of navigators and adventurers, the tribe of Dan, probably came your way circa 1500 B.C., there was alot going on at that time you know?

Marduk, the material in the Bible just makes sense, historically, at least (as to the unbeliever, the good news of Jesus Christ is foolishness), so until you can show any inaccuracy in the historical account in the Bible, you're just punching at the wind.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:58 am

By the way, do you actually think that those great ancient civilizations of the Middle East and Egypt built those structures in sand dunes?

If not, and saying that, on average, those regions now get 10 inches of rain per year, how many inches per year do you think were falling when the "Old Kingdom" of Egypt, and ancient Sumer, and Elam, were flourishing?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:51 am

The "children of Don," hmmm, Dan, Shardana, Danube, Don, Denmark, must have been by that aggressive tribe of navigators and adventurers, the tribe of Dan, probably came your way circa 1500 B.C., there was alot going on at that time you know?

you missed out Don Ameche
Dan Brown
Donald Duck
Dennis Waterman
all obviously as connected to the children of Don as your examples were

Marduk, what was built in Egypt during "pre-dynastic times?" How do you know that whatever you cite was from long before "dynastic" constructions, carbon 14 dating

No GV they all left iKing lists which are contemporary accounts stretching back Millenia none of which agree with the bible
according to you everyone but the Hebrews were liars

if Sumer had died-out about supposedly a thousand years before Moses, then how did he know about Shumer

where in the Bible does it say he knew about Sumer Jim
Shumer is simply the akkadian name for Sumer
and Akkadian is a semitic language
like duh

Marduk, the material in the Bible just makes sense, historically, at least (as to the unbeliever, the good news of Jesus Christ is foolishness), so until you can show any inaccuracy in the historical account in the Bible, you're just punching at the wind

I just did Jim
you choose to ignore it because it doesnt fit in with your personal belief
thats your choice and I'm not knocking it
but don't attempt to talk to people who don't share your belief system because you just come over as a fundie
now go strap on your dynamite waistcoat and go wait for the next bus full of catlicks to drive by will ya

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:53 am

how do you expect to have a discussion if all you get are rubber stamped replies?

Thus comments the King of the rubber stamped replies!

"Jesus....jesus....jesus...bible....bible....bible.....Holy....Holy.....Holy shit."