Abram/Abraham/Ram/Brahma

[Beagle]

What does this all mean? In our book, Vedic Aryans and the Origins of Civilisation, David Frawley and I have shown that the Rig Veda belongs to an earlier layer of civilization before the rise of the civilization of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley (Harappa). This calls for a fundamental change in our idea of Mesopotamia as the cradle of civilization. In the same book, on the basis of ecology and ancient literature, it is also suggested that the Rig Vedic aryans were the beneficiary of an age of abundance in north India, brought about by the melting of the ice caps at the end of the last Ice Age.

Excellent article Starflower. So, like blunt force trauma, there it is. Forget Lapis Lazuli - possibly much of the early foundations of Mesopotamian and Egyptian civilization arrived from the Harrappan, or Rig Veda, civilization.

[Minimalist]

the Rig Vedic aryans were the beneficiary of an age of abundance in north India, brought about by the melting of the ice caps at the end of the last Ice Age.

Aha! Back to Hancock, Underworld and the Gulf of Cambay.

[Starflower]

oops

So maybe it should be looked at as comic relief

[Minimalist]

I wonder if they decorated their relative's skulls and buried them under the living room floor?

[Guest]

I told you he was another bible thumper with criticisms of Kitchen's ideas. How much more information can your tiny brain handle

so?? it just keeps things in perspective, all men are fallible yet it doesn't diminish what he says but puts it in the proper context. i do not care if people criticize good authors, we are to follow God not man anyways so good, constructive criticisms allows us to do just that.

Indian historian Kuttikhat Purushothama Chon believes that Abraham was driven out of India. He states that the Aryans, unable to defeat the Asuras

the first problem with that is, it is directly in contrast to scriptures. abraham did not come from india he came from the Ur of thr Chaldees which has been discovered and excavated.

i haven't had time to check the scripture verses posted and am still waiting tohere which version they came from, if they came from a version at all.

In our book, Vedic Aryans and the Origins of Civilisation, David Frawley and I have shown that the Rig Veda belongs to an earlier layer of civilization before the rise of the civilization of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley

i would like to see more information on this, credible links if possible though it would not be unheard of because there was a post flood civilization that was functioning well, long before egypt and sumeria and others arose.

we have no indication that they wrote or recorded their beliefs. we do know they did not follow God thus the writings and their time frame could be a possibility.

as for the flods, those were most likely local but also could be evidence of a pre-flood construction destroyed by The Flood. i would have to investigate it more.

[Guest]

Hey min, Hanock got it right that there are submerged ruins of city-states in various parts of the world, so when do you think sea level rose a few hundred feet to submerge them?

(Easy question, but I know you can't handle it.)

[Minimalist]

the first problem with that is, it is directly in contrast to scriptures. abraham did not come from india he came from the Ur of thr Chaldees

Actually, the first problem is that scriptures were finally edited in the late 6th century and have no relation to anyone's reality.

[Beagle]

It's been said in here before, but we're gonna have to get into the Vedas one of these days. The problem is, I don't know that much about them.

[Guest]

Hey Beagle, the Vedas do say that ancient Dwarka, a city-state of the Rama empire, is now on the shallow seafloor off northwest India, and the Vedas say that the ancient kingdom of Kumari Kandam, now submerged off southern India, was inundated in the time of kings Nediyon and Ravanna, and that the first Mahabalipuram (Great City of Bali) was inundated, at the time of King Bali, just offshore from where is the post-Ice Age Mahabalipuram, so what do you suppose was the approximate date that the sea level rose which is described in the Vedas with these stories?

[Minimalist]

It's been said in here before, but we're gonna have to get into the Vedas one of these days. The problem is, I don't know that much about them.

Why would they be any more accurate than other religious texts? They all are written with ulterior motives, after all.

[Guest]

Hey min, Darwin certainly was working with ulterior motives, he gets goo to you from finch-beak differentiation, and great big turtles? Come on now, min, you can't be that gullible, your faith is certainly strong in your religion of Fundamentalist Darwinism.

[Beagle]

I don't know that they are completely religious. Aren't they also an ancient historical account? In any event, they are older than all the rest.

We've looked at many of them in FOTG, and how the myths figure in to some possible history.

[Minimalist]

http://www.indiasite.com/scriptures/veda.html

This oldest religious text in the world has10,589 verses which are divided into ten mandalas or book-sections. The oldest portions of the Rig-Veda are from books two to seven; the others were added later. The book-sections are arranged according to the number of hymns they possess.

If there were a god and he did write a book I'd still be sceptical of anything in it once his human "followers" got their greedy little paws on it.

You know those types can't be trusted.

[Beagle]

You know those types can't be trusted.

I agree - but "we"(meaning the "normal" people on this board) can study ancient writings for what they are.

But anyway, I'll have to read up before I can bring much to the conversation.

[Guest]

Hey Beagle, how 'bout Kumari Kandam, old Dwarka, old Mahabalipuram, the submerged Rama Empire, you know, all that Vedic stuff you're wondering about?