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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:43 pm
by Guest
You have nothing to add to the archaeological discussion because you believe in fairy tales
i am sorry but i have more to add because i do not dismiss everything because it supports the Bible. plus because i use all data and do not pick and choose like you, i.e. 'oh that has to do with the Bible, out it goes'; 'oh that is a jewish religious document, out it goes'; 'oh this is a ancient relgious document, we must include it.' the bias you display undermines any argument you present.

you are only kidding yourselves if you think you are being archaeological or scientific. you accuse me of doing exactly what you and your beloved finkelstein and dever do, pick and choose.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:13 pm
by Guest
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:08 pm
by Guest
Garstang, btw, was not the earliest. He went out to Jericho to disprove the earlier findings of a team which had concluded that Jericho was unoccupied during the Late Bronze Age.
yes i know about that but i would like to look at the evidence myself, i think that a later dating would only push the exodus back further not eliminate it.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:55 pm
by Minimalist
archaeologist wrote:since c-14 has been brought in earlier than i wanted i now have to go to the following and point ut some questionable practices:

http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/ans ... ntwood.php
In fact, Kenyon found no evidence at all of occupation of Jericho ca. 1407 B.C.
conclusion based upon what she did not find. corroboration for James Long's critique of kenyon's conclusions.

You have shown that you are singularly incapable of understanding this issue. Along with Garstang and Wood, that makes three of you!
Dr. Bryant G. Wood proposed that Garstang was right all along. He proposed that the termination of City IV Jericho be redated from ca. 1550 B.C. to ca. 1400 B.C. He argued that a reanalyis of pottery shards excavated from City IV, stratigraphic considerations, scarab evidence, and a single radiocarbon date all converged "to demonstrate that City IV was destroyed in about 1400 B.C.E., not 1550 B.C.E. as Kenyon maintained."
Wood bases his conclusions on the evidence found; far more substantial than kenyon's work.

Dismissed as bible-thumping fallacy by accurate carbon dating and the findings of related destruction elsewhere in Canaan in the mid 16th century BC.

Pitir bienkowski rejects this conclusion not because of the evidence but the length of the confirmation of Garstang:
He has put forward four lines of argument to support his conclusion.
yet when refutation was even shorter, nary a word is spoken:
Bruins and van der Plicht recognized the results of their work held a serious implication for Wood's theory. They devoted only one sentence to this implication
thus if four lines is too short then 1 is just unacceptable and not proof of refutation.

Wood does not understand C14 dating. How long does it take to say that?

then we have the convenience of the british museum's actions:
Unfortunately, this date was later retracted by the British Museum, along with dates of several hundred other samples
when evidence was discovered that confirmed both Wood and Garstang, it is then recalled because of a problem in the calibration. yea right...

More conspiracies by evil scientists to deny your precious fairy tales, Arch? You never seem to tire of singing the same old song.
The British Museum found that their radiocarbon measurement apparatus had gone out of calibration for a period of time, and thus had yielded incorrect dates during that period. The corrected date for the charcoal sample from City IV turned out to be consistent with Kenyon's ca. 1550 B.C. date for the City IV destruction.
another reason we cannot trust carbon dating or the people who operate the machine. it also corroborrtes my contention of the corruptibilityof the whole process.

No....it's a reason no one can trust you. Science can admit its mistakes but you are stuck with the silliness which is written down, aren't you?
Radiocarbon dates on charcoal give the date the wood grew, not the date it was burned. To be consistent with Bryant Wood's proposal, the wood which burned to produce the charcoal sample would need to have been cut from a living tree 150 years prior to the destruction. Of course, this is not impossible.
a minor detail that works for Wood.

Subsequent dating was made on short-lived cereal grains. Wood is wrong but you are blind for continuing to believe his nonsense.
These depict Egypt as a stable, properous nation at the very time the traditional biblical chronology date for the Exodus says Egypt should be a nation devastated by plagues.
this assumes the data is correct and not fudged. if the pharaoh was still alive, as humphreys says, then the stability would still be there just as america, though devastated by katrina was still stable though a partof it was in ruins.

We KNOW the data is fudged. There is nothing true in the bible.
Having settled the dispute over the date of City IV Jericho's destruction and having demonstrated that Wood's chronology is not valid, we are left with the problem we started with
that is not true nor is the issue settled. for kenyon andher supporters to be right, the exodus must have happened in 1550 b.c. if it didn't then they are wrong.

Oh, it's settled. Only the terminally biblically blind cannot see it.

then to muddy the waters:
Gerald E. Aardsma, Ph.D., has proposed an alternate solution, one that solves these problems and does justice to both biblical and secular scientific evidence. He has shown that the correct biblical chronology date for the Conquest is ca. 2400 B.C., not ca. 1400 B.C. By this solution, it is the ca. 2400 B.C. destruction at Jericho, shown in the charts above, which must be credited to Joshua

QUICK! Call Jacobovici and tell him to move his date back another 1,000 years to satisfy yet another idiot.

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:54 pm
by Guest
You have shown that you are singularly incapable of understanding this issue. Along with Garstang and Wood, that makes three of you!
no i understand it, you mean you hate it that i disagree and challenge the finds of those you prefer.
Dismissed as bible-thumping fallacy by accurate carbon dating and the findings of related destruction elsewhere in Canaan in the mid 16th century BC
accurate?? ha.ha. that is a laugh. it is so accurate that they had to change the date to agree with kenyon.
Wood does not understand C14 dating. How long does it take to say that?
that is your opinion because he also challenges kenyon whose theory and thinking is suspect.
More conspiracies by evil scientists to deny your precious fairy tales, Arch? You never seem to tire of singing the same old song
sorry it may not be a conspiracy but it smells and when it smells it is often true.
Science can admit its mistakes but you are stuck with the silliness which is written down, aren't you?
the Bible isn't wrong, science is fallible and should not be looked to as the final answer. there are various factors which mar the scientific process and conclusions.
Subsequent dating was made on short-lived cereal grains. Wood is wrong but you are blind for continuing to believe his nonsense
i am not blind, ultimately the date does not matter. what matters is God and His working during those times.
We KNOW the data is fudged. There is nothing true in the bible.
according to you yet you can never deal with the proof that appears that validates the Biblical record except to crawl in the hole of denial and say 'there were never any israelites' 'the exodus never happened.' etc. until you start acepting the proof for the biblcal record you will always have problems.
Oh, it's settled. Only the terminally biblically blind cannot see it.
not for those of us who look for the truth.
QUICK! Call Jacobovici and tell him to move his date back another 1,000 years to satisfy yet another idiot
i smell another documentery

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:37 pm
by Minimalist
I smell something....


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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:58 am
by Guest
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:29 am
by Guest
Subsequent dating was made on short-lived cereal grains.
the question is, were those grains contaminated at any time in their 3500 year hiatus?

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:51 am
by Guest
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:24 am
by Minimalist
archaeologist wrote:
Subsequent dating was made on short-lived cereal grains.
the question is, were those grains contaminated at any time in their 3500 year hiatus?
Arch you are such a phony. If those tests had showed Wood to be right you would be pissing yourself with joy.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:53 am
by Minimalist
Anyway, back to the topic...

I spotted this in a local supplement paper here, today.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/surp ... e13Z1.html
Officials have issued a warning about the risk of carbon monoxide at a popular partying spot at Lake Pleasant.

They say there is a poisoning danger for people who swim and frolic at Humbug Cove, a secluded area at the northern end of the lake that is sheltered from the wind.

"The density of watercraft and the large number of people gathering at Humbug Cove creates an environment for individuals to become exposed to excessive carbon monoxide emissions," a study by the Arizona Department of Health Services and Peoria Fire Department says.

Again an enclosed lake, not a river, and the water apparently does not turn "red" either!

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:03 pm
by Guest
Again an enclosed lake, not a river, and the water apparently does not turn "red" either!
wonder what causes that phenomenom,i am sure it has been said but i wasn't paying attention. i was caught up in the selectiveness and consistancy of how it operated by jacobovici's interpretation.

turning red was a different plague and humphreys has a better explanation for it---red coral.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:37 pm
by Minimalist
Are you sure he didn't say red "algae?"

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:01 pm
by Guest
Are you sure he didn't say red "algae?"
yes you are right pgs. 114-5. i confused it with his discussion on the how the 'red sea' got its name.

did jacobovici ever discuss his reasons why it was carbon monoxide and why it struck only the first born? i remember something about a low lying bed but that just didn't make sense to me.

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:46 pm
by Minimalist
but that just didn't make sense to me.

Or anyone else, apparently.


He created some kind of make-believe rule wherein the first born slept on low beds as some sort of place of honor!

As I recall, Egyptians tended to sleep on the roof because of the heat and places of honor had nothing to do with it.

I mean....it's his fantasy. He can do what he likes with it. It's when people call it history that I have a problem. I wrote the whole thing off in the first ten minutes.