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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:15 am
by Minimalist
I'll go see if I can find it.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:34 am
by Minimalist
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage ... yramid.htm
The article is by David Pratt, citing William Fix. My sense is that both of these men would not be acceptable to "the Club"....which makes them okay in my book!
The presence of the Khufu and Khnum-Khufu cartouches inside the Great Pyramid and on some of the core masonry stones on the exterior does not prove that it was the 4th-dynasty pharaoh Khufu who built it; he may have been named after the Pyramid, rather than the other way around. Khufu's cartouche has been found on dozens of tombs and monuments in Egypt, some of them far later than the 4th dynasty. William Fix comments:
Egyptologists explain that Khufu's name had become 'a powerful charm', and was put on monuments as a sign of sanctity and protection. In other words, it was used in later times as the sign of the cross has been used in Christian countries for nearly two thousand years. Of course, we do not assume that every representation of a person bearing the symbol of a cross is Jesus Christ, nor that every building with a cross was personally ordered to be built by Jesus. Neither do we assume that every person named Jesus is the original Jesus Christ.[9]
Fix cites evidence to show that the quarry-marks and cartouches that have been used to attribute pyramids to kings have been misinterpreted. Some of the cartouches of 4th-dynasty kings may originally have been sacred symbols identifying different schools of religious thought, rather than primarily the names of individual pharaohs. The historically known kings Khufu, Khafre, and Menkaure may well have appropriated, and possibly restored, the three Giza pyramids as their own memorial monuments, and may have been responsible for some of the surrounding auxiliary structures -- small subsidiary pyramids, temples, tombs, and boat pits -- but there is no conclusive evidence that they built the three major pyramids themselves.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:50 am
by DougWeller
Khufu's name is inside his pyramid in places where it could only have been put during construction.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:59 am
by Beagle
There are other possibilities, of course, but we haven't gotten to Vyse yet.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:01 pm
by Beagle
Man, that is a long article. I'll finish it later.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:36 pm
by DougWeller
Beagle wrote:There are other possibilities, of course, but we haven't gotten to Vyse yet.
I'm not sure what you mean. You aren't thinking of Sitchin's nonsense are you? Even Hancock was convinced by the evidence of his own eyes.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:23 pm
by Beagle
Hey Min - we can probably make a lot of headway over the next few days, and get this damn thing done. That'll be nice.
Doug- we're going by the book. Can't get sidetracked. When we're done Min or myself may spend some more time with you. But we don't have forever unfortunately.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:47 pm
by Minimalist
The gist of Fix's point is that we do not assume that the George Washington Bridge was built by George Washington because it bears his name.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:22 pm
by Beagle
We probably won't have any trouble covering the book up to p. 349 tonight or tomorrow. Easy stuff. Too bad Hancock didn't know then what we know now.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:27 pm
by Minimalist
I had to go back and see what page 349 was.
One wonders if the "Club" has more than Hancock's 3 pieces of 'evidence' for their insistence that Khafre carved the sphinx?
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:32 pm
by Beagle
I can't imagine what it could be except the Khafres' causeway goes from "his" pyramid to the valley temple. But at that time Hancock was unaware of some evidence that the causeway appears to predate the pyramid.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:36 pm
by Beagle
Why don't we let John get some posts in here - go ahead and chat with him.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:06 pm
by Minimalist
I've been looking for a translation of the Dream Stele. No luck so far.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:23 pm
by Beagle
It was not a complete translation even before the part that mentions Khafre flaked off. Or was it Khufu? Anyway, even if you find it I don't think it tells anything about who carved the Sphinx.
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:28 pm
by Minimalist
It's Khafre but that isn't what I wanted to see.
It was the lines preceeding his name I wanted to see to try and get some context.
The way Hancock tells it these Egyptologists would ascribe the Empire State building to "Kilroy" because they found his name painted on it.