The Exodus Decoded

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:41 pm

He created some kind of make-believe rule wherein the first born slept on low beds as some sort of place of honor!

that is what i thought as i had never heard of that style of sleeping before.

It's when people call it history that I have a problem

i can agree that the israelites were in egypt and they went on the exodus and say that it is history but HIS version is just out to lunch.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:43 pm

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:12 pm

Wishful thinking is all he has left, Doc.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:41 pm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:50 am

Wishful thinking is all he has left, Doc.

i have more than that.

pg.91 The riddle of the exodus by james long:

"
While other translators believed that the discourse of ippuwer was prophetic in natureGardiner demonstrates, in his introductory remarks to his own translation, that the descriptive passages were far too detailed to be taken as predictions. 'There is a limit as to the minuteness with which future things may be foretold.

Gardiner further dispells this notion by noting that the terrible state of things is familiar to those ippuwer is addressing...That the sage was speaking of his present condition is further underscored by his pleas to take some kind of action"

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:15 am

From the Ipuwer papyrus:

Indeed, the desert is throughout the land, the nomes are laid waste, and barbarians [III/1] from abroad have come to Egypt[III/2].

Sounds like a description of an invasion rather than any mass departure.

http://www.touregypt.net/admonitionsofipuwer.htm

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:23 am

Hey Min, that Ipuwer Papyrus describes mass devastation, starvation, drought, plague, the whole bit, sounds like the whole area was drying out bigtime, doesn't it?

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:26 am

BTW, James D. Long........

Born in Swinton, Missouri, Long began his broadcast career as a disc jockey for his hometown radio station before graduating from High School. During the next 10 years, he worked as a journalist and program director in a number of cities including Houston and Dallas. In addition to being a favorite on-air personality, he is an energetic, creative writer-producer. Long earned a number of awards including three “Addys” from the world’s largest advertising competition (American Advertising Federation).

Fr. Wikipedia.

Bible-Thumper Extraordinare!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:20 pm

Bible-Thumper Extraordinare

to you maybe; to me, he is just a man, not a scholar, looking at the evidence in his own eyes and struggles. from his introduction, pg. 12:

"Much of what we know (or thnk we know) about ancient egypt is still a matter of conjecture and that is why the conclusions offered in this book are just as relevant as those held sacrosanct by most academics."

then pg. 13:

"As an outsider, i would offer the reader a very radical thesis: the exodus did not take place in the new kingdom era of Rameses. Nor did it occur in the middle kingdom during the time of the Hyksos, the so-called shephard kings. By going to the ancient jewish sources we find tantalizing clues that take us farther back in time, directly to the end of the 6th dynastyduring the waning days of the old kingdom, an era that bible scholars have completely ignored in their search for the exodus. In the old kingdom we discover pharaoh meferkare phiops II who ruled longer than any king in egyptian history. He was succeeded by his son neferkare the younger who was followed by the first womanruler of egypt. whatwe can learn from the time of these monarchs matches the account found inthe jewish midrash known as 'sefer ha yashur'."

if long is correct then it would give kenyon and others some credibility in their assessments. which is a problem anyways because these people who come to different conclusions than real biblical scholars automatically assume that the bible is wrong and not the dates.

it is a common error made throughout the study of the past as many secular researchers have the agenda to disprove the Bible. it is not the Bible that is wrong folks, but the process coming tothe conclusions.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:54 pm

He's a huckster, Arch. He sells bullshit to gullible fools.

I'm sure you have purchased bags full.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:11 pm

He's a huckster, Arch. He sells bullshit to gullible fools.

I'm sure you have purchased bags full.

instead of saying crap like this, put something that is credible and constructive to consider. he makes some good points and in my studies in archaeology one thing i do know, most dates are in flux and are flexible.

He is also right that a lot of archaeological conclusions are conjecture and that does open the door for him to present his view, whether he is right or wrong.

in dating the exodus, he follows the Jewish Historical Chronology, the Sedar Ha Olam, which places the date at 1312 b.c
he also limits the sojourn (according to the chronologies) to 210 years but that is his opinion as he relies heavily on those books for his thinking. for myself, i do not think that 210 years is enough to expand the nation from 70 people to the approx. 6 million figure given in the Bible.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:35 pm

i do not think that 210 years is enough to expand the nation from 70 people to the approx. 6 million figure given in the Bible.

An excellent start. Next, when you realize that the six million figure is totally ludicrous maybe you can start to shed some of this mythology that you cling to.

(PS - 1312 means that if you subtract the 480 years which your bible claims passed from the Exodus to Solomon building the temple means that ole Sol would have had to build it in 832 BC....which is a tad late.)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:38 pm

Hey Min, what about the Ipuwer Papyrus which I asked you about several posts ago, leave you tongue-tied?

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:40 pm

Genesis Veracity wrote:Hey Min, what about the Ipuwer Papyrus which I asked you about several posts ago, leave you tongue-tied?

Perhaps you need to scroll up?