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What Hancock was talking about was a world wide catastrophe

wasn't talking about hancock. and i will disagree with you about the black sea as you can't prove that it was only local.

The johnny-come-lately version which was stuck into the bible is a poorly redone version of the Sumerian Gilgamesh myth

why do non-believers always accuse God of sin? trying to discredit God doesn't change the facts. you will find that the gilgamesh epic is rather a poor copy especially in lightof all the other myths in the world.

where do you think they came up with the idea?

from noah and his sons who told about it, then when the dispersal came what do you think happened? they took their knowledge withthem and over theyears as they strayed further from God, they changed the stories to fit their beliefs and culture.

at the dispersal, knowledge wasn't changed, just the language thus we see so many similarities in so many different societies.

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The bible was written in the late 7th century BC. It incorporated some stories stolen from older and wiser cultures.

Deal with it.

The bible was written in the late 7th century BC. It incorporated some stories stolen from older and wiser cultures

ha.ha.ha. only by those who cannot accept what it is saying. again you accuse God of sin well that is just convenient for you as you can thenignore the rest of what the Bible is saying.

but it doesn't change the truth nor what is going to come about in the future.

deal with it!!!

OK you guys, I'm pretty disinterested in the Biblical arguments but which Genesis story and author are you talking about?

The one where 2 of each animal went in the ark or the one where 7 of each went in?

again you accuse God of sin

I accuse god of not existing, dummy.

Now, the people who choose to believe in fairy tales are something else again.

The one where 2 of each animal went in the ark or the one where 7 of each went in?

there is onlyone flood story inthe Bible and it was the one with the pairs. 7 animals are mentioned but they were taken in to be sacrifices after the flood waters receded.

Bullshit.

You don't even know your own fairy tales.


Genesis: 6, 19 and 20

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Genesis 7, 2-3

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.


Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

That sure as shit looks like different versions to me. Do you suppose god had a memory lapse when he was dictating?

The book of Genesis is the most fascinating book in the OT to me. I think it provides a lot of anthropological insight into the people of that area of the world.

Along with two creation stories and two flood stories we have the first use of the number 40 (meaning many). The use of this number to denote the word lasted all the way to the middle ages in the story of Ali Baba and the 40 thieves. I don't think the middle eastern languages still employ numbers to use as words.

Most interesting to me is the story of Abram, later renamed Abraham by the Lord, and his wife Sarai (modern bibles say Sarah). The correlation between Abraham of Ur and The Indian figure Brahma is unmistakable.

Just googling the two words Abraham Brahma provides a ton of reading.

Professor Richard Elliott Friedman, in his book The Bible with Sources Revealed offers a cogent explanation for the contradictory versions. First of all, they come from different source material which was cobbled together by editors who were so sloppy that they did not realize they were repeating themselves.

Anyway, in a note on page 43, Friedman explains:

The number of animals on the ark is seven pairs of pure and one pair of impure in Gen 7:2,3 (j); but it is only one pair of each, whether pure or impure, in 6:19-20; 7:8, 9.15 (P). This fits with the fact that in J Noah will offer sacrifices at the end of the flood, so he needs more than two of each animal --or else his sacrifice would end a species. But in P, there are no sacrifices in the story until the establishment of the Tabernacle in Exodus 40, so two of each animal are sufficient.

Friedman's J and P references refer to two of the 4 bible sources the J or Jahwist (Yahweh) source and the P or Priestly source.

Along with two creation stories and two flood stories

there is only one of each. make sure you are not applying originality when more detail is given in following passages.

Arch - the only thing I'm applying is scientific truth.

the only thing I'm applying is scientific truth.

then don't go to scripture because scripture requires more than science to prove its truths. as i posted long ago in another topic, science limits itself because it wants to prove that everything can be explained in a non-supernatural way and it isn't going to happen.

if you let science dictate your thoughts thenyou willmiss out on truths.

archaeologist wrote:

the only thing I'm applying is scientific truth.

then don't go to scripture because scripture requires more than science to prove its truths. as i posted long ago in another topic, science limits itself because it wants to prove that everything can be explained in a non-supernatural way and it isn't going to happen.

if you let science dictate your thoughts thenyou willmiss out on truths.

Arch, I will only talk about this once.

I am not trying to prove anything to you. This is an archaeological forum. Your Websters will tell you that Archaeology is a science. I and others have signed on here to pursue our scientific interests.

You, obviously, have a different agenda. You have offered little to nothing of interest here. You are intrusive and a "troublemaker" in general.

I and others generally do not post in the Biblical or ID rooms. Please enjoy yourself there. Better yet, run a search for the EvC forum. You will truly love it there.

You sound like a young man. Maybe your interest in scripture will lead you to want to know more - as it did me. Meanwhile Arch, I am simply going to post around you. Have a nice day.

science limits itself because it wants to prove that everything can be explained in a non-supernatural way and it isn't going to happen.

Translation: You still want us to believe in fairy tales.

Arch, I will only talk about this once.

still trying to have science without the Bible, good luck won't work.

the evidence for the flood starts with the Bible, without it you would have no knowledge of the fact. at best science can only prove a local flood because of its limitations and the limitations of where one can investigate. along with the limitations of those who are doing the investigation.

as i have pointed out, the evidence is there found in many different sources but most researchers like you think you know better yet you all turn the wrong direction to some fanciful theory.

but it doesn't matter i have said all i need to say in this thread and the intelligent design one. the proof has been laid out for you whether you accept it or not. you will not be able to find any proof that will destroy faith so i wouldn't use science too long.