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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:13 am
by Minimalist
I appreciate the link, Doug. It took a while to hunt it down but I got it.
This is what I was afraid of. The translation above attempts to fill in the blanks....however, this one, gives us a translation of the actual words.

When he had finished this speech, this king's-son rawokel hearing thisa _ _. , he understood the words of this god, and he kept silent in his
heart. bHe said:b "Come, let us hasten to our house in the city; theyC
shall protect the oblations for this god lSdwhich we bring for him:
oxen 1-1 and all young vegetables; and we shall give praise [to] Wenn
~ f e r , ~ - - - Khaf[re],e the statue made for Atum-Harmakhis

In this translation we have no idea what if anything Khaf [re]? may have done or not done.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:40 am
by DougWeller
Anyway, as a poster called Beth wrote on the Guardian forum, "The "Dream Stela" is mostly a 'propaganda' announcement (probably intended to lend legitimacy to TIV's claim to the throne). " Whatever it said, it isn't an historical record of what happened a thousand years before it was carved.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:54 am
by Beagle
Min - I see you found what you were looking for. Good.

It got too late for me. I'll be around later today.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:17 am
by Beagle
Whatever it said, it isn't an historical record
And yet Egyptologists hold it up as proof that Khafre built the Sphinx.
This seems to be a contradiction.

Min, it's gonna be later before I get back. Weekends are demanding on my time.

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:26 am
by Minimalist
Hey, Doug, well I did go back and read the discussion as you suggested....(it was waaayyy too late last night) and it was interesting. See the thread on History v Archaeology for an example of why the written word cannot always be relied upon.





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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 9:31 am
by Minimalist
Beagle wrote:
Whatever it said, it isn't an historical record
And yet Egyptologists hold it up as proof that Khafre built the Sphinx.
This seems to be a contradiction.

Min, it's gonna be later before I get back. Weekends are demanding on my time.


Well, as Breasted's translation shows, part of the name of Khafre appears at the very bottom of the readable text and gives absolutely no context for the name doing anything. It may have said Khafre built it. It could also just as easily have been an 18th Dynasty equivalent of "George Washington Slept Here." The tantalizing aspect is that had it been found even 50 years earlier the whole line of text may have still been legible. Unfortunate.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:00 pm
by Beagle
I have to confess Min, the last time we were posting here I nodded right out for a half hour. :lol: So I just went on to bed.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:03 pm
by Minimalist
I have the advantage....it's earlier here.

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:06 pm
by Beagle
We had finished talking about the lack of proof that Khafre is the originator of the Sphinx - or the pyramid for that matter. Did we settle up on Vyse?

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:01 am
by DougWeller
Beagle wrote:We had finished talking about the lack of proof that Khafre is the originator of the Sphinx - or the pyramid for that matter. Did we settle up on Vyse?
What about Vyse?

Doug

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:22 am
by Beagle
On page 303 of the 1995 copyrighted edition, Hancock asks "Was Vyse a forger?"

Once again Doug, when we're done we may be able to spend a little time with you on this. I can tell you're having a tough time trying to figure out what we're talking about.

Be patient.

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:27 am
by DougWeller
Beagle wrote:On page 303 of the 1995 copyrighted edition, Hancock asks "Was Vyse a forger?"

Once again Doug, when we're done we may be able to spend a little time with you on this. I can tell you're having a tough time trying to figure out what we're talking about.

Be patient.
Not really. But we can ignore that bit of the book because Hancock now says the answer is No, right?

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:49 am
by Beagle
Hancock now says the answer is No
Hancock never said the answer was Yes. :roll:

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:43 pm
by Minimalist
Testing.

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:07 am
by Beagle
Up and running for the moment - too bad we can't copy our comments from Monday. 8)