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Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:30 pm

However will they explain that away?

Never underestimate the creativity of the club. Reminds me a bit of militant religious types, defending their religion, no matter what's staring you in the face.

I know they'll love my next project, on which I'm currently working:

A Case for Acheulean and Olduwan Technology Manufacture in Central Texas

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:46 pm

Those are some beautiful pieces, Charlie.
They appear to have been made yesterday!..or early this morning....
What do you mean by carbonate coating? A patina caused by weathering?

Thanks, bro.

Actually, carbonate coatings are different than patina. Patina is the actual change of the stone's chemical structure, usually changing the color and texture. Here's two example's of carbonate coatings:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20380.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20152.jpg

Note the white substance adhered to the pieces. That's your carbonate coating.

Here's an example of patina:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... ce%205.jpg

Note the light blue looking material, in the middle of the piece. That's patina.

Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:25 pm

Charlie Hatchett wrote:
However will they explain that away?
Never underestimate the creativity of the club. Reminds me a bit of militant religious types, defending their religion, no matter what's staring you in the face.

I know they'll love my next project, on which I'm currently working:

A Case for Acheulean and Olduwan Technology Manufacture in Central Texas

I can hear them quoting from the old movie, Gunga Din.

Mad? Mad. Hannibal was mad, Caesar was mad, and Napoleon surely was the maddest of the lot.....but Fuckin' Charlie is INSANE!!!

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:12 am

I can hear them quoting from the old movie, Gunga Din.

Quote:
Mad? Mad. Hannibal was mad, Caesar was mad, and Napoleon surely was the maddest of the lot.....but Fuckin' Charlie is INSANE!!!

To quote the famous philospher, Minimalist Maximus: Uh, guilty.

War Arrow · Post by **War Arrow** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:55 am

[quote="Manystones]

Is it that we have been indoctrinated with this idea of "linear evolution" (i.e. from bumbling neanderthal to present day "intelligence") whereas in fact we could better describe evolution as "cyclic"?

Just a thought[/quote]
Maybe less cyclic than two-steps- forward-one-step-back. Not only that, but indoctrinated towards one particular model of linear evolution that devalues any culture which doesn't develop from fire and metal to written word and wheels in the prescribed order. I'd say environment has a far greater influence than we (or maybe they) usually recognise. Island people will most likely have some pretty fancy boats before anyone starts thinking about wheels.
By the way, Charlie and Beagle - thanks for the advice. I'll get onto those suggestions tonight.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:55 am

Island people will most likely have some pretty fancy boats before anyone starts thinking about wheels.

Good point. No doubt, need is the primary motivator for innovation. Using Maslow's hierarchy as a qualifier, you can see why innovation has waxed and waned in the past.

Bruce · Post by **Bruce** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:22 am

Charlie,
just finished your report. exellent documentation.
having some problems figuring out the dates of the unconformities in the
geologic layers.
The drains you mention that have recently been put in, are they the 3-4'
street drains from the subdivisions? If they are thats going to be a real problem
with this site.
What type of flood plain are you on- 500yr, 100yr?
keep pluggin man, looks like the burbs got you surrounded!

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:24 am

Island people will most likely have some pretty fancy boats before anyone starts thinking about wheels.

these island people evolved there did they ?

Roberto · Post by **Roberto** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:50 am

Charlie,
This will be a new web site for the Topper Site
www.toppersite.net
They plan to put more video's on this new web site.
It was given out at S.E.A.C. this past October.

Still planning on visiting next year with the S.A.A. conference.
My friend with the G.P.R. is interested, and will be checking
in here with the Forum soon enough.
CHEERS!

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:11 am

Charlie,
This will be a new web site for the Topper Site
www.toppersite.net
They plan to put more video's on this new web site.
It was given out at S.E.A.C. this past October.

Still planning on visiting next year with the S.A.A. conference.
My friend with the G.P.R. is interested, and will be checking
in here with the Forum soon enough.
CHEERS!

Hey Roberto!!

Cool, hot off the press!! Wish I could have been there at the S.E.A.C. Goodyear's dealing with some pretty darn cool stuff!! And he's not getting a whole lot of backlash. Apparently the mainstream is accepting a minimum 50,000 B.P. entry into North America as plausible. Nice barrier to break!!

I've made plans to be at the S.A.A. conference, to meet you and your friend, and whoever else we stumble across. So it's looking like your bud with the G.P.R. has interest in the site.

Sweet!!

I sincerely appreciate your efforts, Roberto...chat soon.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:20 am

Charlie,
just finished your report. exellent documentation.
having some problems figuring out the dates of the unconformities in the
geologic layers.
The drains you mention that have recently been put in, are they the 3-4'
street drains from the subdivisions? If they are thats going to be a real problem
with this site.
What type of flood plain are you on- 500yr, 100yr?
keep pluggin man, looks like the burbs got you surrounded!

Hey, thanks, Stan. I appreciate you giving it a read.

I can try to answer any questions, or clarify any points which are unclear, concerning the geology.

The drains were placed where tributaires used to enter the creek. They were eroding like crazy. There's no drainage from the subdivisions, unless it really floods hard, then, conceivably, parts of the suburb drainage could mix with the drainage from these tribuatries. The only things I find on the exposed portions of the alluvium, after good rains, are bits and pieces of styrofoam, natural wood, and paper. Nothing that isn't buoyant.

We have a 100 year flood plain here.

Thanks again Stan, and please, ask any questions you may have. There's certainly many angles I haven't looked at.

Later, bro.

Oh, P.S.- Did you get a chance to read Bousman's paper on the Paleo to Archaic change in North America?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:15 am

Here's some the images I plan to use for the new project:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... 0Texas.doc

3.3 megabytes

A Case for Acheulean and Olduwan Technology Manufacture in Central Texas

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:51 am

Aechulean: It was the dominant technology for the vast majority of human history and more than one million years ago it was Acheulean tool users who left Africa to first successfully colonise Eurasia[1]. Their distinctive oval and pear-shaped handaxes have been found over a wide area

But in not in North America, Charlie!!!! *

(* The Club, Clovis-First Bible...Verse 2, Line 1: Verily I say unto Ye that there be no hand axes in North America...and all who say otherwise are twits )

Except for this one....

I guess.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:56 am

(* The Club, Clovis-First Bible...Verse 2, Line 1: Verily I say unto Ye that there be no hand axes in North America...and all who say otherwise are twits )

LMAO!

Now, how do you go about writing that off? I'm sure the club will show us how they do...lol!!!

Note chapter 5, verse 3- "Anything resembling Old World Technology in North America, is a geofact, by definition...no exceptions!"

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:34 pm

"Anything resembling Old World Technology in North America, is a geofact, by definition...no exceptions!"