Chris Hardaker's The First American

[marduk]

From what I can tell, Charlie has tried to call attention to his finds, and has been ignored. Sort of like a murder witness who said HEY THERE'S BLOOD OVER THERE, only to be ignored so he collects a sample, perhaps photographs where he found it in order to preserve it before the rain washed the evidence away

As charlie has said
he plans to get a professional team involved
they don't grow on trees and they require funding
instead of blaming everything on the mythical club why don't you actually get a grip on the reality of the situation
there is no mythical club working against Charlie
there is just a little thing called objectivity

[Digit]

To all parties on this debate. About degrees. I have hired, and fired, a number of people in my time and in general I look upon degrees with a great deal of suspicion. I learnt during my own student days how to pass exams by concentrating on certain key points and achieved, for example a 96% pass mark in maths, I have met BSc's who couldn't replace a fuse!
If we exclude non-pros, right now our knowledge of our past would much poorer than it currently is. And yes, I do have a degree!

[Beagle]

Charlie has quite a collection of things that, according to the club, should not be where he is finding them

Charlie has as far as I can see not excavated any of his artifacts correctly
he is also not qualified to excavate his artifacts correctly
so going back to your murder scenario its like finding a drop of blood or a strand of hair and not being able to prove it came from the murderer

besides which Charlie is a henchman of the club so is likely to hide all the proof he finds anyway
or didn't you know he's a member at the hall of maat

From what I can tell, Charlie has tried to call attention to his finds, and has been ignored. Sort of like a murder witness who said HEY THERE'S BLOOD OVER THERE, only to be ignored so he collects a sample, perhaps photographs where he found it in order to preserve it before the rain washed the evidence away...

Those who want to pick on Charlie for not "doing it right' have an obligation to get in there and do it right, and I hazzard a guess that if they were not so afraid of what they would find, they would.

Anytime someone finds something in a place where it should not be, his or her character is called into question by the experts who find all kinds of excuses NOT to accept the fact that they don't understand...and say, "I have no explanation why that was where you found it, it does not go along with our current scientific knowledge, but I acknowledge that you found it where you said you did...now I've got some thinking to do.."

NOOOO they are not going to do that.

AI groups also have a lot at risk here if there ARE found to be populations genetically different from them! They will also fight to hide and conceal evidence in order not to loose their grip on the land issues ect. AND I do not find it impossible that some scientists may not buck them on this in order to preserve a good working relationship with what they DO have.

IF anyone one doubts the vehemence with which AI groups protect their own, take a look at the DAWES list where hundreds of clearly geneticly qualified AI's from various tribes were denied membership. It's appalling.

This is sounding a little rough here. It doesn't matter what educational background an amateur archaeologist has. Charlies one of the best.

And the person in that quote has no college education either.

I do, but not in anything related to this board. We need to keep down the slam statements.

[clubs_stink]

To all parties on this debate. About degrees. I have hired, and fired, a number of people in my time and in general I look upon degrees with a great deal of suspicion. I learnt during my own student days how to pass exams by concentrating on certain key points and achieved, for example a 96% pass mark in maths, I have met BSc's who couldn't replace a fuse!
If we exclude non-pros, right now our knowledge of our past would much poorer than it currently is. And yes, I do have a degree!

LOL degrees only show you can study and pass a test I have been, and am currently involved in, making those with higher degrees look good. REALLY GOOD. One such example is famous unnamed professor who has "authored" quite a few textbooks of which he certainly participated in but in no stretch of the imagination, could be literally said to have written. Surely his name is on the book, he has a PhD, and those who purchase textbooks love to see that on the front...but in no way did he have the skills needed to produce such a text. I am currently involved in another such project.

Einstein was kicked out of school..I believe they said he was "slow".

The truly intelligent are relentlessly curious and question everything.

[Digit]

Just to add a bit of humour Club. Einstein used to play the violin, and on a number of occasions he was late coming in with the violin part, and was asked if he couldn't count. Apparently some of his maths were done for him as well, at least so I read. I haven't checked, but I'd be prepared to be that some Atlanteans, supporters of Piltdown, and non-flying pteroasaurs, held relevant degrees, wouldn't you?

[clubs_stink]

Just to add a bit of humour Club. Einstein used to play the violin, and on a number of occasions he was late coming in with the violin part, and was asked if he couldn't count. Apparently some of his maths were done for him as well, at least so I read. I haven't checked, but I'd be prepared to be that some Atlanteans, supporters of Piltdown, and non-flying pteroasaurs, held relevant degrees, wouldn't you?

LOL having a poor sense of rhythm does not an idiot make

I'd love to have "relevant degree" truly defined.

If I worked in house for the company that outsources to me, I'd have to present a PhD. Those letters look so tidy and nice on the tote board by the company entrance. It's a little known, dirty little secret that these companies outsource to talent versus in-house letters. They have their letter heads , and it's not to say there are not those with letters who do not have talent, but no man can be good at everything.

I know a fellow who is making huge strides in particle matter physics. He produces notebooks full of symbols that mean nothing to me, but are apparently going to solve major world issues some day. If he were asked to do something else, say, change a lightbulb or go shopping for a shirt for a formal affair, for sure he'd be electrocuted and show up with the latest in flannel from Wal-Mart. And last time I checked he was so inept (despite his *what I think* are apparent good looks,) at speaking to the opposite sex he was, at his age of 30 still qualified to be a vestile virgin.

I am not wowed by letters, I am wowed by theory, hypothosis, work outside the box and risk taking. If i were lucky enough to be working in that field, for certain I'd be a reject of every possible club. I'd have to be my own club.

[Digit]

Over here Club, the learned societies have various levels of association, and some allow for high level entry for unqualified people on the basis of there services, or for the advancement of their discipline. In other words they accept that amateurs can play a vital part.

[clubs_stink]

Over here Club, the learned societies have various levels of association, and some allow for high level entry for unqualified people on the basis of there services, or for the advancement of their discipline. In other words they accept that amateurs can play a vital part.

That is evident in the Treasure Trove law in which "amature" metal detectors have recognized and uncovered countless important archeological sites. Just contemplating the U.S. adopting such a method boggles my mind...who knows what "things that were not supposed to be where they were found" lie hidden in private collections.

[Beagle]

Over here Club, the learned societies have various levels of association, and some allow for high level entry for unqualified people on the basis of there services, or for the advancement of their discipline. In other words they accept that amateurs can play a vital part.

That is evident in the Treasure Trove law in which "amature" metal detectors have recognized and uncovered countless important archeological sites. Just contemplating the U.S. adopting such a method boggles my mind...who knows what "things that were not supposed to be where they were found" lie hidden in private collections.

I couldn't agree with you guys more. Archaeology would not be where it is now without the "amateurs". Many initial discoveries have been by them.

On a board like this, it's important though to beware of people passing themselves off as experts. This is, I'm afraid, the Internet.

[marduk]

On a board like this, it's important though to beware of people passing themselves off as experts

well when you routinely dismiss anything that a qualified person says because they are qualified what does it matter

[Digit]

I don't routinely dismiss anything myself, but I do confess to a jaundiced view on occasion. But you have to admit that some ideas put forward by our betters have been real howlers.

[clubs_stink]

I don't routinely dismiss anything myself, but I do confess to a jaundiced view on occasion. But you have to admit that some ideas put forward by our betters have been real howlers.

I have an idea our "betters" have not yet begun to dispute!

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/ ... 6a138.html

CARRY ON CHARLIE!!!

[Beagle]

CARRY ON CHARLIE!!!

Just agreeing with Clubs.

[clubs_stink]

Over here Club, the learned societies have various levels of association, and some allow for high level entry for unqualified people on the basis of there services, or for the advancement of their discipline. In other words they accept that amateurs can play a vital part.

That is evident in the Treasure Trove law in which "amature" metal detectors have recognized and uncovered countless important archeological sites. Just contemplating the U.S. adopting such a method boggles my mind...who knows what "things that were not supposed to be where they were found" lie hidden in private collections.

I couldn't agree with you guys more. Archaeology would not be where it is now without the "amateurs". Many initial discoveries have been by them.

On a board like this, it's important though to beware of people passing themselves off as experts. This is, I'm afraid, the Internet.

I'm safe then. I could not pick out an expert from a hole in the ground. I march to the beat of my own drummer and let everyone else duke it out. I will note the following from the news page.

An amature finds an iron furnace..and a pro bucks the system and makes a discovery.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/artic ... eology.htm



http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Sa ... 9192753490

[marduk]

are we reading the same page
it didnt mention a furnace
or an amateur