The Western Hemisphere. General term for the Americas following their discovery by Europeans, thus setting them in contradistinction to the Old World of Africa, Europe, and Asia.
The last few posts have been rich in ideas and information. The page below is food-for-thought regarding the prehistoric peopling of the American (north and south) Pacific - being approachable from the north, south, and from Africa via the Benguela and Canary Currents: see lower righthand corner of this page http://www.beforebc.de/all_america/900_ ... 00-03.html )
E.P. You write, "What's funny about the current Clovis over strike tech speculation is that it has to be "Solutrean", in other words European, and could not have come from a source far nearer but further south: Africa."
I don't know that I'd say that view is wrong. We do have the Canary Current. I'd believe it is wholly possible - even inevitable given the deca-millenniums that storm-captured vessels could be whisked away from S. European Atlantic waters and deposited on the other side of the ocean.
I'd think Solutrean origins are completely feasible, even likely ... but not exclusive.
CLICK LANGUAGE From one article and one contact, I've heard, inconclusively, that click languages were to be heard at least in South America as recently as the 1500s. If so, it's almost certain it'd have been San / Bushman.
Has anyone heard anything about click languages in the new world?
Paul, arguing from proposed cognates, "sounds like" = "derived from" is weaker than arguing from "looks like"= "came from". Again, with trans-Pacific African contact the big problem is the lack of excavation in Africa.
To give you an example, even with demonstrated evidence of contact between Japan and coastal South America, the Megger's evidence was simply not accepted. Nor was Heyerdahl's evidence of plant distribution.
While all of this seems perfectly clear to you, your perception can be affected by your hypothesis. We have multiple examples of this from looking at attempted "decipherments" of writing systems; it may be useful to you to look at them. You're simply going to have to be more familiar with African archaeology before you will be able to make any points about contacts, IMO. Each point will have to be clearly shown, and stand on its own. Hitting people with a mass of evidence simply does not work.
Just to make my own current working hypothesis clear, all of you might want to reconsider the "out of Africa" model of human evolution, and consider the hypothesis that Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved in coastal Asia, and spread from there, including a return to Africa.
Minimalist wrote:I ran a search for "Great Atlantic Impact Mega-Tsunami" and didn't get many hits.
That, in and of itself means nothing. I recall when we were discussing the Pokotia Monolith and the Fuente Magna bowl that the mainstream archaeological community gave them a great big leaving alone, as well. Still, maybe you could give us the lowdown in 25 words or less since it doesn't seem that anyone else will.
You know how you are with Paul's "looks like" imagery? That's how I am with mythic figures. I would have never gotten a "Great Atlantic Impact Mega-Tsunami" out of that picture.
To me....looks like a dragon throwing up on somebody.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Paul's suggestion about Califa does hold up as one theory for the naming of California. Of course, there are others.
Some suggest that the word California may signify that a place is "hot as an oven" (cali > hot, fornia > oven). It may be derived from calor de forn, Catalan for hot furnace, expression attributed to the explorer Gaspar de Portolà, or it may come from calida fornax, Latin for hot furnace.[5]
Another possible source may be kali forno, an indigenous phrase meaning "high mountains".[6] There is no agreement among scholars.
There is also a theory that directly links the name California to a Vedic myth. In Hindu mythology, the sage Kapila is said to have burnt King Sagar's 60,000 sons to the ground on being accused of abducting their horse. This incident is said to have taken place at "Kapilaaranya" - derived from Kapila Aranya or Kapila's Forest. The link between the Paatala-loka (literally underworld) which is where the horse allegedly ran off to and the situation of America on the earth directly opposite to India, or in other words "beneath" it, has been noted by proponents of this derivation of "California". The existence of an Ash Mountain Park in California and a Horse Island in Alaska seem to consolidate this possibility, although few have voiced any opinions regarding the Kapilaaranya/California mystery.
Somehow, the notion of armored Spanish soldiers trudging across the Mohave Desert calling the place "Hot as an Oven" does have much to recommend it. Anyone who ever lived in one of our Arizona summers will understand instantly. And soldiers are notorious complainers.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
(5th of 17) Named and Historical Mayan / African (by phenotype) Monarchs of North America
The 5th of 17 known Monarchs: TODAY’S MONARCH: King Upakal K’inich, c. 730 AD, Palenque, Chiapas, Mexico
After the first page below will be added the fifth of 17 monarchs. The pictures can be seen below if your browser allows it. Otherwise, they can be seen at the link.
BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF KING UPAKAL K’INICH: As did other rulers in the ancient world, Classic Mayan kings legitimized their power by assuming the name of the sun god, K'inich. In this way, they identified themselves with the celestial authority of a potent supernatural being. The king shown here is the son of K'inich Ahkal Mo' Naab' III - the 12th Mayan King of Palenque.
INTRODUCTION TO PAGE, KING'S LIST, 25 AFRICAN-MAYAN ANALOGIES:
You know how you are with Paul's "looks like" imagery? That's how I am with mythic figures. I would have never gotten a "Great Atlantic Impact Mega-Tsunami" out of that picture.
To me....looks like a dragon throwing up on somebody.
Hi minimalist -
Yeah, Maya iconography never resonated with me either. But if you read Linda Schele's books, she explained a lot of it, including the celestial sky dragon. Too bad she did not live long enough for the recent work on impact events.
The image is from the first page of the Dresden Codex, a Mayan astronomical work.
Actually, Min was an Egyptian Old Kingdom fertility god....but, for obvious reasons.....
I don't use it as an avatar.
(Michelle gets fussy about that stuff!)
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
The 6th of 17 known Monarchs: TODAY’S MONARCH: King K’inich Janaab’ Pakal, 745 – 803 AD, Palenque, Chiapas, Mexico
After the first page below will be added the sixh of 17 monarchs. The pictures can be seen below if your browser allows it. Otherwise, they can be seen at the link.
BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF KING K’INICH JANAAB' PAKAL: Like Janaab’ Pakal I his grandson, Janaab’ Pakal II was one of Palenque’s two greatest builders. Like Tutankamun of Afrigypt, K’inich Janaab’ Pakal II also practiced head elongation as such royal families did. He ascended to the throne at age 12 on July 29, 615 AD. Pakal the Great was preceded as ruler by his mother, Queen Sak K'uk’. After his death, he was worshipped as a god as was done with pharoahs of Afrigypt.
The 7th of 17 known Monarchs: TODAY’S MONARCH: King Itzamnaaj B'alam, 681-742 AD, Yaxchilan, Chiapas, Mexico
After the first page below will be added the seventh of 17 monarchs. The pictures can be seen below if your browser allows it. Otherwise, they can be seen at the link.
BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF KING Itzamnaaj B’alam: From Itzamnaaj B'alam’s marriage to Lady Eveningstar of Calakmul was born his son and successor, Yaxun B'alam over sons from his first wife, the well-born Lady Xoc. Yet, it is believed that Itzamnaaj B'alam had Temple 23 in Yaxchilan constructed to honor Lady Xoc. Itzamnaaj B’alam II was the13th king of Chiapas.
The 8th of 17 known Monarchs: TODAY’S MONARCH: Queen K’abal Xook, 681-742 AD, Yaxchilan, Chiapas, Mexico
After the first page below will be added the eighth of 17 monarchs. The pictures can be seen below if your browser allows it. Otherwise, they can be seen at the link.
BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF QUEEN K’abal Xook: Queen K’abal Xook (also spelled Xoc) was the first wife of Itzamnaaj B’alam-II. Though her sons should have been next next in line for kingship, they were passed over though the king constructed Temple 23 in her honor.
E.P. You write, "What's funny about the current Clovis over strike tech speculation is that it has to be "Solutrean", in other words European, and could not have come from a source far nearer but further south: Africa."
I don't know that I'd say that view is wrong. We do have the Canary Current. I'd believe it is wholly possible - even inevitable given the deca-millenniums that storm-captured vessels could be whisked away from S. European Atlantic waters and deposited on the other side of the ocean.
I'd think Solutrean origins are completely feasible, even likely ... but not exclusive.
CLICK LANGUAGE From one article and one contact, I've heard, inconclusively, that click languages were to be heard at least in South America as recently as the 1500s. If so, it's almost certain it'd have been San / Bushman.
Has anyone heard anything about click languages in the new world?
Paul, you need to see John L. Sorenson and Martin H. Riasch, Pre-Columbian Contacts Across the Ocean, An Annotated Bibliography, entry M-143, 2 African watercraft were washing up each year in South America for a hundred year period during post-conquest times.
The other thing you need to do is to write to me for a copy of "Amazing Stories" before your work is used in ways that you never want to happen.
