The (Clovis-First) Empire Strikes Back

[Rokcet Scientist]

Which people live/have lived on the ice for generations RS?

Inuit, Roy... For millennia until less than a century ago!

[Rokcet Scientist]

I'd dearly like to know how you'd get on and off the ice shelf

By walking from the land ice onto the sea ice, Roy: it was an uninterrupted layer/cover of the northern part of the globe. They just kept going. Probably weren't even aware where the land ice stopped and the sea ice started.

or haul a dead Seal up onto it though.

That wasn't/isn't easy, but it can be done and it is done all the time by people living on the ice because the rewards are worth it: a mature seal will feed 10 people for a week and provide materials for manufacturing clothing, instruments, and tools.

However, swimming mature seals were probably not the target of choice because 1) you have to go onto (in?) the water to hunt them, 2) because they are very fast in the water, and 3) because they fight well in the water.
On the ice, though, it is an entirely different matter: mature seals can easily be caught and clubbed or stabbed to death. Young, yummie seal pups don't even go into the water at all! It's like shooting fish in a barrel!

[Digit]

No RS, on land.

Roy.

[uniface]

In principle, it's easier than that. Seals have to come up for air, at breathing holes they keep open. When a head pops up, spear the neck, using a barbed point with a line attached. Using which you haul him up onto the ice (otherwise, once dead, they sink).

That's how the Esquimos did it.

[Rokcet Scientist]

In principleSeals have to come up for air, at breathing holes they keep open. When a head pops up, spear the neck, using a barbed point with a line attached. Using which you haul him up onto the ice (otherwise, once dead, they sink).

Roy, take a cue: to haul something up onto the ice you need to be on the ice. You cannot haul something onto the ice if you're on land.

[Digit]

Roy, take a cue: to haul something up onto the ice you need to be on the ice. You cannot haul something onto the ice if you're on land.

Now that's what I call a profound thought!
So if I use a boat to go fishing I must presumably live on water?

[kbs2244]

A little more on topic.

From todays news page.

http://www.canada.com/technology/year+w ... story.html

I am a litttle unsure as to the PICs of the points.

The caption says "file" and in the text it refers to a SINGLE point being found.

[Digit]

created by the first humans who lived in the province.

That should read 'possibly created etc', or similar phrase.

Roy.

[uniface]

I am a litttle unsure as to the PICs of the points.

From the Thedford II site I posted.

That should read 'possibly created etc', or similar phrase.

Lost me.

The alternative being impossibly created ?

Technologically, it's as diagnostic of its time and place as Gothic Cathedrals are of France ca. 1400 AD.

[Digit]

The alternative being impossibly created ?

No! The possibility being that they might, or might not have been, the first humans etc etc etc.

[uniface]

Good point

[Minimalist]

Actually they are beautiful points but with Ontario having been under a mile of ice one suspects that they were the "first". I tend to agree with Roy that given a choice, people will not live on top of an ice sheet.

[uniface]

http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forum ... 15617.html

A couple excerpts :

1) (Canada) : In the early 1950s, Thomas E. Lee of the National Museum of Canada found
advanced stone tools in glacial deposits at Sheguiandah, on Manitoulin Island in northern
Lake Huron. Geologist John Sanford of Wayne State University argued that the oldest
Sheguiandah tools were at least 65,000 years old and might be as much as 125,000 years
old. For those adhering to standard views on North American prehistory, such ages were
unacceptable. Humans supposedly first entered North America from Siberia about 12,000
years ago.

Thomas E. Lee complained: "The site's discoverer [Lee] was hounded from his
Civil Service position into prolonged unemployment; publication outlets were cut off; the
evidence was misrepresented by several prominent authors . . .; the tons of artifacts
vanished into storage bins of the National Museum of Canada; for refusing to fire the
discoverer, the Director of the National Museum, who had proposed having a monograph
on the site published, was himself fired and driven into exile; official positions of prestige
and power were exercised in an effort to gain control over just six Sheguiandah specimens
that had not gone under cover; and the site has been turned into a tourist resort. . . .
Sheguiandah would have forced embarrassing admissions that the Brahmins did not know
everything. It would have forced the rewriting of almost every book in the business. It had
to be killed. It was killed."

[Digit]

The link won't run for me, but a shocking story, still I would like to know how the dating was done.

Roy.

[uniface]

From reading the account, apparently via geology.