Gobekli tepi, Comet Impact, and the Younger Dryas

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Unread postby E.P. Grondine » 28 Apr 2017, 11:17
HI Tiompan, spice -

Both Collins and Hancock are WRITERS, that is their profession, an they must be viewed in that context.
How well do they serve their audiences, how are their sales, how is their writing style?

@ E. P.

No E. P., Hancock & Collins are NOT writers. They're con men. They have nothing of value to share with anybody. That's their profession. They prey on the credulous & the gullible, selling them worthless new age mystical bullshit garbage labeled as books. If you buy into the crap that they sell you're more brain damaged than we suspected. I've read representative examples of both of their purported 'work' & found it to be nothing more than poorly written, steaming hot piles of incoherent, inconsistent BULLSHIT.

Serve their audience? No... They serve themselves.

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi spice-

IMO, that may be said about Hancock, BUT NOT COLLINS.

If you think it is so damn easy to write a popular book for an audience,
may I suggest you try it.

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@ E. P.

Try reading Andrew Collins website. His off the cuff writing style is barely literate, sloppy, inconsistent & meandering. If anything, his editor probably polished up his sloppy 'work' before publishing it in book form. So give the credit where the credit is due... To his editor.

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi spice -

Give Collins' editor and publisher credit if you want to,
But they had to recognize Collins' property and its market potential.

A website is a website, not a book.

[E.P. Grondine]

The Edinburg team's reply:

http://www.homepages.ed.ac.uk/msweatma/ ... e_new.html

Yes, they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams.
It appears that they are entirely unaware of the work done up until the 1950's on ancient constellation systems.
Collin's book sparked their interest in GT, not Hancock's book, as was claimed in some press reports.

[Tiompan]

The Edinburg team's reply:

http://www.homepages.ed.ac.uk/msweatma/ ... e_new.html

Not much a reply .

Yes, they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams.

Why ?
Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ?

[E.P. Grondine]

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Yes, they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams.

Why ?
Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ?

Since this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbM4vHcRyz0&t=3s

particularly imporatant in this is my own observation
that fast neutrons are produced in large hyper velocity impacts.

That observation is likely to be good for some prize in physics.

[E.P. Grondine]

And here is Hancock again:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ancient-carv ... 17740.html

While Collins gets no PR
oh well, its all PR for the impact hazard.

[Tiompan]

EP,
You highlighted my questions in response to your comment

Yes, they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams.

Why ?
Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ?[/quote]

Linking to what I imagine is one of your vids will not answer any of the questions .

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi tiompan -

What we do know is that there were 2 TWO separate cometary impact events either shortly before
or at the time Gobekli Tepe was built.

(Depending on the carbon 14 calibration,
and once again note the fast neutron production in large hyper velocity impacts
such as Meteor Crater and resulting the carbon 14 spikes.)

Now every one of today'a meteor shower is the result of the Earth passing through a comet's
debris stream. In some cases, such as Comet Encke, we can show that larger pieces of those
comets hit the Earth.

So many people currently BELIEVE that Comet Encke was responsible for the
Holocene Start Impact Events. The Edinburg team set out trying to prove
this assumption that it was Comet Encke.

BUT this assumption may be entirely too optimistic,
and it may have been an entirely different comet
that produced these impacts.

In point of fact, we do NOT know the rate of injection of small comets
into the inner solar system.

We do know that Comet Schwassman-Wachman 3
will pass through the inner solar system again shortly,
and if it leaves any bits behind which will hit the Earth,
we will be entirely unable to detect them in a timely manner.

[Tiompan]

[quote="E.P. Grondine"
The Edinburg team set out trying to prove
this assumption that it was Comet Encke.[/quote]

EP.
They failed miserably for many reasons .

My point was " Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ? "

[E.P. Grondine]

The Edinburg team set out trying to prove
this assumption that it was Comet Encke.

EP.
They failed miserably for many reasons .

My point was "Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ? "

Hi tiompan -

Meteor streams "emerge" from what appear to us
as invariant points located in the constellations.

Another operating assumption is that there must have been a reason for so much effort to have been put into the construction of these megalithic structures.
That assumption seems reasonable.

Clearly there was some kind of reason, even though it may have been magical, for these constructions.

The trauma from the recent Holocene Start Impact Events,
which can now be sufficiently demonstrated by hard evidence to have occurred,
along with the trauma from the sudden changes in life styles,
likely played a large role in the formation of new paths of magical thinking,
which the construction of these megalithic structures likely represent.

There are a couple of other points that I need to bring up.

First off, as there is no agreement among the paleo climatologists
about the definition and timing of the Younger Dryas climate event,
talking about "THE Younger Dryas Boundary Impact Event"
is talking rubbish.

Second, You may notice that the TWO impact events currently indicted by the very hard data,
also explain the other data found:
the sudden rise in moisture and
the sediment mega-fauna proxy recovered from the strata of the cores that lake.

[Tiompan]

there must have been a reason for so much effort to have been put into the construction of these megalithic structures.

E.P.
I can't think of any serious archaeologist who has thought otherwise . The same applies to other major non megalithic structures .

But you still haven't responded to " Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ? "
Which is directly related to your earlier comment "they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams."

[E.P. Grondine]

there must have been a reason for so much effort to have been put into the construction of these megalithic structures.

E.P.
I can't think of any serious archaeologist who has thought otherwise . The same applies to other major non megalithic structures .

But you still haven't responded to " Since when are meteor streams the stuff of prehistoric alignments , apart from in the fevered imaginations of fantasists ?
How do you align to a moving object , why bother in the first place and why assume that there are any "alignments " at the site at all ? "
Which is directly related to your earlier comment "they certainly do have to check out alignments with other meteor streams."

Hi tiompan -

What we know from the observations of the recent breakup of small comets that the initial meteor showers are particularly intense.

It is suspected that in the case of the culprit responsible for the Holocene Start Impact Events',
the resulting meteor showers may have not only been very intense,
but perhaps showers of Tunguska sized fragments,
each of them producing Tunguska sized blasts.
Or perhaps the fragments were smaller,
each one producing 20 kiloton or so air blasts.

Perhaps that is why everyone at Gobekli Tepe wanted to get drunk.

[Tiompan]

[quote="E.P. Grondine"
Perhaps that is why everyone at Gobekli Tepe wanted to get drunk.[/quote]
If indeed beer was brewed at the site ,and it is by no means certain, feasting seems the more likely explanation .

No doubt that Collins , Hancock and the Edinburgh team were drunk on their fantasies .