Archaeologica.org

They were trying to keep you out mate.

marduk wrote: theres a discussion group now
well why the hell didn't anyone tell me about it

Yeah. I wish you would cruise back that way and answer some questions.

As a side note: my daughter participates in a policy debate league through her school and a few of the teams are quite adept at bringing the feminist slant into every issue. If they see this and some of the language they may come in here with the fury of the Amazons. Although I suppose some would welcome the challenge.

Bring 'em on!

http://www.mega.nu/ampp/eden/roots.html

It was in Saudi Arabia that Zarins encountered the Ubaidians, and there that he began developing his hypothesis about the true meaning of the Biblical Eden. One clue lies in linguistics: the term Eden, or Edin, appears first in Sumer, the Mesopotamian region that produced the world's first written language. This was in the third millennium B.C., more than three thousand years after the rise of the Ubaid culture. In Sumerian the word “Eden” meant simply “fertile plain.” The word “Adam” also existed in cuneiform, meaning something like “settlement on the plain.” Although both words were set down first in Sumerian, along with place names like Ur and Uruk, they are not Sumerian in origin. They are older. A brilliant Assyriologist named Benno Landsberger advanced the theory in 1943 that these names were all linguistic remnants of a pre-Sumerian people who had already named rivers, cities—and even some specific trades like potter and coppersmith—before the Sumerians appeared.

“Eden” meant simply “fertile plain.” The word “Adam” also existed in cuneiform, meaning something like “settlement on the plain.” Although both words were set down first in Sumerian, along with place names like Ur and Uruk, they are not Sumerian in origin. They are older.

this is another attempt by someone to rewrite history
you can get the actual facts direct from the electronic pennsylvanian sumerian dictionary
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e1199.html
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e1197.html
it doesnt mean something like "fertile plain"
in fact it is used more times to indicate steppe than anything else
thats mountain steppe
so the ubaidians being a plains people are out of the running right there
Adam does not mean something like "settlement on the plain" it means habitation
http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e135.html
as you can see they are not attested in the earliest times and the first mention of Eden anywhere is from 3000bce while Adam is from 2500bce
so once again the ubaidians are out of the picture

Daniel Pouzzner who wrote that piece describes himself as a dissident intellectual
he may be a dissident
but hes no intellectual as far as the history of the Sumerian language goes

A brilliant Assyriologist named Benno Landsberger advanced the theory in 1943 that these names were all linguistic remnants of a pre-Sumerian people who had already named rivers, cities—and even some specific trades like potter and coppersmith—before the Sumerians appeared.

Benno Landsbergers claim that it was from a semitic source was not brilliant
if anything it was self serving as ole Benno was a semite himself

haven't you learned by now Min to use modern sources
using things from 1943 when there is better information from last week is pseudoscience
next you'll be telling me that a nice Mr Hitler has claimed that its all the Jews fault
of is that Mel Gibson
so easy to get those two mixed up

No it ain't.

Minimalist wrote:http://www.mega.nu/ampp/eden/roots.html

It was in Saudi Arabia that Zarins encountered the Ubaidians, and there that he began developing his hypothesis about the true meaning of the Biblical Eden. One clue lies in linguistics: the term Eden, or Edin, appears first in Sumer, the Mesopotamian region that produced the world's first written language. This was in the third millennium B.C., more than three thousand years after the rise of the Ubaid culture. In Sumerian the word “Eden” meant simply “fertile plain.” The word “Adam” also existed in cuneiform, meaning something like “settlement on the plain.” Although both words were set down first in Sumerian, along with place names like Ur and Uruk, they are not Sumerian in origin. They are older. A brilliant Assyriologist named Benno Landsberger advanced the theory in 1943 that these names were all linguistic remnants of a pre-Sumerian people who had already named rivers, cities—and even some specific trades like potter and coppersmith—before the Sumerians appeared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_ochre

The clay used to produce red ochre is thought to be the "red earth" from which God created Adam in the Book of Genesis. In fact, the etymology of the name "Adam" is ancient Hebrew for "man of red earth." Red ochre can be found in great quantities in the mountains rimming the river basin where archeologists place the biblical Garden of Eden, now in modern day Iraq. For the early writers of the Christian Bible, one can imagine the vibrant red color of this natural clay evoking the color of human blood.

Min - I have heard so many meanings of these words. Here's "Adam".

Red ochre can be found in great quantities in the mountains rimming the river basin where archeologists place the biblical Garden of Eden

errr ok
so Archaeologists have found the garden of eden now have they
thats credible archaeology is it
not that german nut who claimed it to continue his funding in anatolia
what this is basically saying is that the bible is right and that Adam was made out of clay
when in fact the bible doesnt say that the clay was any particular colour at all
and the actual translation of Adam in hebrew is
Heb. adam "man," lit. "(the one formed from the) ground" (Heb. adamah "ground"); cf. L. homo "man," humanus "human," humus "earth, ground, soil."

so pffft
red ochre nonsense wasn't even mentioned until we started digging it up with ancient peoples
all of whom predated the garden of Eden story by quite a margin