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How I can see ,things are in need to be cleared.
Mr Sam is president of fondation that means that he is in charge of the group who finance the project .He is not in charge of the project because
officialy it is Museum in Visoko who is responsible for the reports.Because of the public perception ,it is comeing out that exavations are from Mr Sam.Museum in Visoko is using archeologist and geologist and up till now havent come up with probable report wich can be officialy be lay for discusion.
This exavation have first been oposed from domestic and forign science on the base that will destroy cultural heritage of Bosnia and pressing for stop of exavations in the media for that reason.
In the same time from the same circles has been continous oposition stating that findings are natural phenomena and exavations are stupidity wich is spending money wich should be used in more important projects.
And lastly have been oposition and calls for stop of exavation because of enviroinmental factors of striping the hills .
it is cleary that there are powerfull force in the scientific comunity wich want to stop exavations using every means and every posible argument.

I have my doubts about pyramid theory,but most of the exavations in this part of the world have been done using same system wich have been aplied here(If somebody want to rise the standards he have to contact Museum in Visoko to give expert help or money for the project),and I cant see point to critics when they have not seen or read report from exavators.
Between my perception of the pictures and field work is big difference.Many results can be complicated finds and a lot of finds
canot be shared with the public because of many reasons starting with security of the locations up to everyday development.Most of that what have been sayed for geological forms is theorising based on the pictures
and canot be substantial in prooving or disaproving and must not be reason for involvment in petitions for stop of exavations.
Exavations can be stoped if it is there are proof that exavations are not up to the standards common in protection of the monuments in the area
of exavations accepted from scientific comunity.
I have not seen prof of that up till now,and if I make comparison with the state of the "protected area of the old city" on top of the hill Visocica"cleary iI can make identification of care and not care.
Taking this point on table we should asking for responsibility in other direction to.Most of the people who have been asking for stop of exavations have been in charge of primary protection.
From expert side there have been involvment of people who have promised scientific reports in due time.Probably Ms Nukic and Mr Barakat
will come up with detailed report wich will show reason for their continous
and full suport of theory that hills are human product.On archeological side we havent nothing up till now,even there are one archeologist continiously from start of exavation and now another one from Egypt.
Probably most of us know that reports are last to be filed,basicaly protecting us from wrong conclusions.This presure on exavators is unnatural in the field and should be marked in this way only
"abuse on the sientists",nothing less nothing more and in this case have been used for other ends-to stop exavations .
Eniroinmental damage is somtimes accepted if it is for common good,and authority for that is people in the area trought their institutions in this case
goverment of the canton and city Visocica.We all have seen that they support the project and acceptance of the responsibility for the impact on the enviroinment.

he has not spent 15 on sonds, he walk or drived a car close to the visocica hill 8 juni after 20:00 a clock , and 9 juni he had conference

uuummm, i live in a country with a 24 hour clock and that is only 12 hours not 15.

sorry put in the wrong quote--- see below

he doing it all time , when he came to visoko he took hammer to see how stone blocks look inside, and he found this white material wich connects stone blocks , and he did some other analisise and after a 1 hour he said tha this is man made

for someone who has never visited the site, you certainly have a lot of intimate details of what is transpiring. do you think for yourself or just want bosnia to be accepted for having something important that you suspend your cognitive powers?

RK-- i think you are talking to a brick wall and one that is accepting spoon feeding as critical analysis while ignoring constructive criticisms from those in their fields.

i would love to see some substance inthe data besides "Os said this or that" all i am seeing are nice pictures which only suport previous construction and nothing to do with a pyramid.

as for the 'monument' with the inscription of an 'ancient language' that has not been proven yet and there are a hundred rreasons for its existance.

(funny--when i went to bed there were only 4 responses, when i woke up there were 44. who know that this dig would cause such controversy.)

Please, may we give up on the patriotic insults and boasting, they are not germane to the topic nor are they helpful in learning about this site and how it is being conducted. to tell you the truth, i don't care as i am not interested in how you view yourself or your fellow countrymen.

he is there from 8:00 to 20:00

Ciko wrote:osmanagich said this "the mother of all pyramids". beacuse he believe tha this is 100% a pyramid, like Barakat said a week ago , "if you ask me if this a pyramid i will tell you yes yes yes all [time"

Ciko, that is fine. Barakat may believe that there are pyramids in Visoko, but he still has to provide the evidence. Being Ph.D., Barakat knows very well what he is supposed to show to the scientific community. So far, we have not seen his report. I expect that Barakat’s report will be submitted through the Egyptian consulate. We don’t even know when it will happen.

As you said, Osmanagic publishes “everything”. Why does not he then provide more scientific evidence? He meets politicians, the representatives of the army and charity organizations, and he meets with just about everybody except the Bosnian scientific community. Why is that so? Why does Osmanagic behave that way? The delegation from the National Muzeum visited the site and Osmanagic only managed to alienate them further. Mr. Babic, who visited the site on his own initiative reported that he saw pieces of broken ceramics. Why do you think that Bosnian scientists act that way? Please try to be a bit more open minded and think a little bit about this.

At last something not so complicated from excavations.
On the hill Pleasvica-pyramid of the mood have been found
wall from some structure definitely builded from human hand.

There are some quasi explanations from fake rector from
unrecognised Italian university, that this is entrance in the pyramid.

Mr Sam has urgent press on the latest developments tomorrow and is
looking more like CNN breaking news which I don’t admire to much.

Here it is coming that which from the beginning I have predicted…that they will end up with finding something, and people who should be there are not there-Bosnian archaeologists

And here is probably only one picture wich have fully right to be posted on this forum from these exavations-and that cant be done in right way.
...destiny from forum administration?Please there must be some exeption from the rule!!!

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010065.jpg

Here's the latest on this madness-
http://217.204.41.132/cgi/NGoto/2/147354757?2760

Fortuneteller wrote:
As you said, Osmanagic publishes “everything”. Why does not he then provide more scientific evidence? He meets politicians, the representatives of the army and charity organizations, and he meets with just about everybody except the Bosnian scientific community. Why is that so? Why does Osmanagic behave that way?

To answer first your question why they are not providing scientific evidences: Do you really think that every bit of excavations there is not well documented and filmed? No matter what you think about archeologists and geologists there who work on Visocica, they are experts in their field and they are doing it proffesionally. There could be a reason why all of us just getting pictures that we're getting. Don't forget that many nasty things have been said about them and their excavations in the world wide public from the start. It can easily happened that proves will be published at worse moment for their opponents. I have the feeling that Mr.Harding will be first "colateral damage" victim when they present their findings:)

As I said many times before I don't consider Osmanagic too important of all this story, apart of the fact that he raised (successfully) question of Visocica Hill, which was neglected for decades by local science. But let's be fair and say that Osmanagic personally sent two letters to national Museum, asking participation and help from archeologists there and he never got reply. Furthermore, here in Bosnia there were several TV programmes (talk shows) with Osmanagic and local archeologists, including those from National Museum from Sarajevo. Of course, dialogue was mostly bitter, but osmanagic kept calling archeologists to join. So I think we can't blame Osmanagic for not speaking with bosnian scientific community. And just for the record, main argument of local archeologists was that they don't believe that there could be a pyramid. So whole thing about pyramid, I'm affraid revolves about religion and faith. Same as creacionists and evolutionsts believe in their theory, but none of them produced so far credible evidence.

F9 is completely right: excavation on Visocica Hill is not osmanagic's private enterprize, but project of Visoko Museum. So obviously, part of bosnian scientific science IS not only speaking with osmanagic, but actually working with osmanagic this very moment. So right address for all your comments would be Visoko Museum, rather than osmanagic.

As I said before several times, Visocica Hill is on location that was settled from neolithis times. So I presume that Museum in Visoko knows very well why started these excavations.

DougWeller wrote:[ Harding specifically didn't want an official tour. And if he wasn't seen (and Gerussi said none of the staff saw him there), where does the 15 minutes come from? I'm trying to find out. I agree it was brief.

As far I know, Mr. Harding is highly positioned archeologist, and it is really pathetic that he sneaks around excavations like some punk. And secondly, if he didn't want official tour, I think then he hasn't right to give any official statements afterwards, right? If he's visit was private (and it seems it was), than he can give only his private statements, not official ones.
However, that's just saying about his proffesionalism, but also about the reasons he behaved that way and why he came to Visocica.

Doug you are right, he's visit was brief, according to his own words:

"However, Harding, who said he visited the site briefly on Thursday and looked at the same stone blocks Barakat said were man made, said on Friday they were a natural formation."

It was so brief that he visited only part of the excavations:

"Harding did not visit other sites in the area which Osmanagic and Barakat say are further evidence of the existence of pyramids in Bosnia, such as a tunnel leading to the top of Visocica or a stone pavement made of geometrically regular shaped pieces.

Harding said that although he had not seen the stone pavement, by looking at photographs, "I would not believe it to be archaeological. It looks to me as a natural stone pavement." He did not visit the tunnel either."

That aside, he'll be first to be embarrassed in very painfull way if turns out that Visocica is archeological site, because he had said:

"Not any evidence at all has been found" to support the claim the site would be an archaeological site, he said.

and further:

"I've seen the site, in my opinion it is entirely natural," he told reporters in Sarajevo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_ ... ontroversy

So, it'll be real laugh if turns out that Mr.Harding didn't took right glasses that day with him during his adventure on Visocica.
Very smart move from president of the European Association of Archaeologists. And people here are claiming that osmanagic is only one that behaves strangely in whole this affair? I'm just waiting now for a good laugh, if Mr.Harding's scientific name and his Diploma go down the drain. And all chances are that they will.

extra , new press confereance beacuse of new evidence

On Sunday, June 17th, 2005 at 12:00 pm a press conference will be held the “Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon“! - Posted on 17 Jun 2006

The Foundation Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun convoked a press conference for June 17th, 2006 at 12:00 pm.
The press conference will be held at the foot of the hill of Plješevica “Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon“. Dr. Dario Andretta from Italy, Dr. Goražd Žibret from Slovenia and Dr. Lamia el-Hadidi from Egypt will present new exhibits and poofs about the existance of man-made wall structures under the hill of Plješevica “Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon”.

NEW PHOTOS

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010065.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010058.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010057.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010062.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010059.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010048.jpg


italian geologist dario anderetta said: this is a big proof of osmangich's hypotesis , that nobody can not deny

One of those photos is this one:
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/news/170606/P1010048.jpg

Which is proof of exactly what?

If that is manmade, how was it done?

Your Italian geologist hasn't been doing much geology recently, which is clear if he thinks that that is proof of a pyramid. It's a shame that Osmanagic couldn't get a well known practicing geologist to take charge instead of someone who awarded himself the title professor instead of having to work for it.

Dear Doug
Thanks!

extra , new press confereance beacuse of new evidence

you are not getting new ecidence for a pyramid. if you examine those stone blocks, you will see that they are too small for any real construction larger than a small retaining wall or wall of a building.

the blocks used here in korea for retaining large amounts of dirt, espcially along the mountains, make those things look like skipping stones.

Every new discovery is completely different from the previous ones. You would expect at least some consistency in building methods. Now we have a wall, square small pavement, irregular small pavement, big conglomerate blocks, big sandstone blocks... doesn't make sense at all... maybe because they're natural structures? (save that wall, I think)

Finding a wall doesn't mean there's a pyramid. In a town next to my city somebody was digging on a field and found a wall. Was it a pyramid? no, they found a roman villa. Yeah I'm stating an obvious thing but somehow at Osma's Foundation people seem to infer pyramids from walls. That wall could be anything!!!

Ciko, about the Tuzla geologists... for what I understood, they DID probings and went to the hill. No looking at pictures, real geology. And they found natural stone, not manmade.

AND, Osmanagic has modified the geologists' report so it proves his theories. HE IS TELLING LIES.

http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewt ... =7117#7117

I would like to hear a good detailed description of Dr. Harding's visit to the site. though.

Who are you all to discredit The Rector of university,master geolog and candidat for Nobel price?If he say it is probably entrance in the pyramid
it is probably that.
They have dig couple of hills and at least they have found one very important wall wich will be studied in detail...
By the way...I should remind you that there are clear rules for pleminary report wich must be filled in 6 monts time and not more than 10 years for full report with all materials.

this so called new evidence doesn't prove nothing...Especially that odd pavement...can't believe that can be man made. Those rock formations in Northern Ireland look more man-made than than, in mind...And regarding the existence of pyramids, how can a discovery of a wall be a proof for it. I mean, it's great, there is something there, but don't go talking non sense...

f9 wrote:Who are you all to discredit The Rector of university,master geolog and candidat for Nobel price?If he say it is probably entrance in the pyramid
it is probably that.
They have dig couple of hills and at least they have found one very important wall wich will be studied in detail...

That guy Dario Andretta is NOT a candidate for Nobel price. He just says he is. Which makes him a very likely candidate for being a crook.

By the way, I just found an interesting blog (in spanish) by some Paola Castagno. She's been writing about this for some time. I haven't read all those posts but I've seen new pictures and it seems quite insightful. She's been translating reports at piramidasunca.ba to spanish. Nice blog if you can read that language

http://paolacastagno.blogspot.com/