The Iliad: How Much Fact - How Much Fiction

The study of religious or heroic legends and tales. One constant rule of mythology is that whatever happens amongst the gods or other mythical beings was in one sense or another a reflection of events on earth. Recorded myths and legends, perhaps preserved in literature or folklore, have an immediate interest to archaeology in trying to unravel the nature and meaning of ancient events and traditions.

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Post by marduk »

santorini didn't sink beneath the sea
and platos date does actually match a huge flood that occoured in 9500bce and devastated a large island that had a central mountain range that the races of the ANE were aware of which was beyond the pillars of hercules and larger than asia and libya combined
oops ive said too much
now you'll wanna know which one it was
:wink:
and that would kill all the erroneous speculation and psuedoscience
carry on guys
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marduk wrote:santorini didn't sink beneath the sea
and platos date does actually match a huge flood that occoured in 9500bce and devastated a large island that had a central mountain range that the races of the ANE were aware of which was beyond the pillars of hercules and larger than asia and libya combined
oops ive said too much
now you'll wanna know which one it was
:wink:
and that would kill all the erroneous speculation and psuedoscience
carry on guys
Ok. I'll bite. Where was it?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini
The island was the site of one of the largest volcanic eruptions of the last several thousand years when it erupted cataclysmically about 3,500 years ago. The eruption left a large caldera surrounded by volcanic ash deposits hundreds of feet deep, and its effects may have indirectly led to the collapse of the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete, 110 km (70 mi) to the south.



Santorini affected a lot of Mediterranean history no doubt. Wikipedia is pretty good reference.
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wikipedia is not a good source
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And it remains an active volcano. Should it erupt again in a similar fashion the results would make the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004 look like child's play.
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I agree Min.

Wikipedia, by its' very nature as a pure reference source, is able to remain current. Of the thousands of articles about Santorini, most of them are obsolete due to the recent re-dating of the eruption.
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Let's give the geologists something to do.

Isn't there a theory about volcanos which holds something along the lines of: Individual volcanos have characteristic type eruptions based on the kind of lava/magma which forms them?
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I'm pretty sure that is more than a theory Min. Each volcano has its own "signature", as I understand.
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arque ... l%20Enigma

It seems like so many of our topics involve the discussion of large stones.
From the Daily Grail an article on Baalbek.

Probably worthy of it's own thread - and it mentions Malta too, which we will have to get to sometime.
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We have time.
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http://www.uri.edu/news/releases/?id=3654
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Santorini eruption much larger than originally believed;
likely had significant impact on civilization

URI, Greek scientists find hydrothermal vent system nearby

KINGSTON, R.I. – August 23, 2006 – An international team of scientists has found that the second largest volcanic eruption in human history, the massive Bronze Age eruption of Thera in Greece, was much larger and more widespread than previously believed.
From Archaeologica News
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In 1991 Sigurdsson and his URI colleague Steven Carey had estimated that 39 cubic kilometers of magma and rock had erupted from the volcano around 1600 B.C., based on fallout they observed on land.


Bad luck for The Exodus Decoded, huh?
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from what i have read, the tsunami reached 800 feet high when it landed in turkey, how much larger could the effects be?

right now thera, is not high enough to cause the same amount of damage. its cone is just breaking the surface again.

i have no problems with relating the destruction of 'atlantis' with the minoan society. from what i have read, it was a well advanced and intelligent society, along with being well organized among other attributes.
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Post by Starflower »

There were some great pictures in this link:

http://www.uri.edu/endeavor/thera/index.html

Plus several really great reads, written so that even I could understand what they were trying to say.(The site must be geared for small children)
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Geared for tourists. About the same intelligence level.
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