Rusting requires the presence of both water and oxygen. At the Ohio site, the objects were in a layer of sand deep within the clay. So, there was little moisture and probably no oxygen. They probably could have lasted for many more millennia.
There is another question, though: Why were the "Indians" not making iron at the time of European contact? My only thought on this, currently, is that in the course of the apparent cultural decline during the Middle Woodland Period this just fell through the cracks. (Also, the objects here, and Charlie's, seem to be mainly symbolic and/or decorative rather than utilitarian, so maybe their manufacture was just abandoned after a while. And something else to think about: People in the "old world" were making iron many thousands of years ago. Why could those here, who certainly spent a lot of time experimenting with fire, not have stumbled upon the same technology? Is it reasonable to assume that they were any less intelligent or resourceful?
Rusting requires the presence of both water and oxygen
But the Titanic is rusting away....12,000 feet down.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
If you'd like to see the Ohio objects (and other really strange stuff),
Prehistoric metal and concrete?
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
But the Titanic is rusting away....12,000 feet down.
Sure, but there is oxygen there - otherwise no fish.
Prehistoric metal and concrete?
Well, what can I say? The stuff is just there, and as I said, 1.5 m (5') beneath terrain surface undisturbed except for a 20 cm (8") plow zone. And we had the stratigraphy verified (at considerable expense including renting the backhoe) by a professional geomorphologist.
And don't forget the glass (true wierdness!). But here again, all these materials were manufactured thousands of years ago in the old world. Concrete appears at Yiftah El, Israel, 9000 years old. Things are just whatever they are - one can either ignore them because they "shouldn't" be there, or one can try to figure it out.
I recall reading somewhere that all it would take to turn the history of the world on its head would be to find a wrench on the moon not made in Russia or the US.
What you are suggesting that you have evidence of is almost the equivalent.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
It's a pain in the arse being over here what with the time difference. Each day I come back and find five new pages on a thread and I probably look like some sort of idiot replying to some comment when you've all moved on and proven once and for all that the first settlers in Monte Verde were real cartoon characters numbering both Popeye and Olive amongst their present day descendants.
Anyway, it's a real honour to find I've been nominated as the author of a classic quote. I love you guys!
Cognito wrote:Maybe I should recruit an Islamic imam, Hindu sage and Buddhist monk to even things out?
If it's any use, I'm reasonably convinced of Huitzilopochtli being a real person who achieved Godhood, depending on how you define Godhood. Plus if I think about it hard enough I can pretty much believe most claims popularised in the religious life of 15th century Central Mexico AND without breaking any laws of physics. I'd be quite happy to start letting it all hang out if need be.
Quennel, tla nel toconilhuitl in quennel: amo zan no quioalitoz: quennel, as Ahuizotl himself may once have said. Wise words indeed.
You probably all better get back on topic before I get carried away.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
We were in London in the Fall of 1996, shortly before the election. Our tour guide was anything but subtle....saying such things as...
"To your right is #10 Downing Street, home of the Prime Minister. Mr. John Major lives there.........for the present."
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Sorry I'm slow - had a radio tower project that needed to be done while I had good weather. (Not getting killed is important.)
I recall reading somewhere that all it would take to turn the history of the world on its head would be to find a wrench on the moon not made in Russia or the US. What you are suggesting that you have evidence of is almost the equivalent.
It's not really that unsettling. I see nothing implausible in any of it. There have been other reports of such artifact material, and from seeing some of the Ohio professionals in action, I'd say they likely have encountered it and tossed it aside, just looking for arrowheads and other material that they have been taught is supposed to be there. Anyway, the next step is to find out what the anomalous stuff is made of - XRF scans, etc., and maybe even AMS dating if we're lucky and the iron/slag was not coal-fired. There will be some $ involved - mine, unfortunately.
The Club has a shit-hemorrhage if someone suggests they found a hand ax in the Americas. The notion of concrete and iron pre-dating Columbus will get you compared to Sitchin and all their other boogeymen.
Actually producing such evidence would be revolutionary.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
The Club has a shit-hemorrhage if someone suggests they found a hand ax in the Americas. The notion of concrete and iron pre-dating Columbus will get you compared to Sitchin and all their other boogeymen.
Actually producing such evidence would be revolutionary.
Min, I have a variety of hand axes found nearby in California. They aren't supposed to be there, but there they are. In addition to concrete and iron I would like to know where all that mined copper from Michigan wound up.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
