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Ciko wrote:

Read Kat's posts, she has testimonials of archaeologists that have left the site because it was unprofessional. And I know it's not Osmanagic, it's a team of archaeologists... I meant to say "Osmanagic's team"

it was archologist Sead Pilav who left excavations beacuse that it was too much media and he did not like it , beacuse of so much pressure

it is magazine DANi who wrote that he left the site beacuse it was unprofessional, and i know that Dani lie much, so i dont believe them

they where always against this excavations

Try again. He wrote to ME about this, if Dani said that they are quoting me. He wrote to me saying that he left because the "entire project was unprofessional and unserious".

I hate it when unpleasant rumours like yours are spread around, you should be ashamed of yourself.

DougWeller wrote: You don't need hi technology, you just need to know what you are doing and don't rush it. Test trenches, sieving soil, going down slowly and mapping where you find artefacts (eg tiny bits of pottery or charcoal, not just big things), they don't take a lot of technology.

Doug

Let's see .... you need string and stakes (for marking out graphs), paper to record on, screens to sift dirt with, something to hold water for water sieving.

Nothing high tech or expensive

A handful of 2x4s would be helpful, although not necessary, for making sifters.

Katherine Reece wrote:http://www.astraeamagazine.com/osmanagi ... o_frm.html

~sigh~
I know these guys, they are former moderators at the Graham Hancock message board. Their work is full of bogus pseudo material.

Again, I'm sorry, but I have to say that considering how many things Osmanagic has said that we've discovered to not be true I highly doubt his veracity.

Regarding the archaeologist who left after three days, we didn't hear his comments from any magazine but from the archaeologist himself in email.

Another point to be made, most archaeologist publish site reports. In some countries its required (I think it always should be) Osmanagic was asked by Archaeology magazine if he was going to publish a site report, or publish in a scientific journal. He said he was considering Hera magazine.

Hera magazine !!

I'm not sure have you listen to his interview (and I really don't see what is so funny about to whom he gave an interview). But if you listen to an interview, it is obvious that everyone is welcome to excavations.

Osmanagich is here acused for not letting "real archeologists" to the site. It is clear that is a lie.

Osmanagic was asked by Archaeology magazine if he was going to publish a site report, or publish in a scientific journal.

And why Archeology magazine should get any of the reports, after sending a letter to UNESCO, trying to stop their visit. A letter also full of lies. It was obviously hostile move. There are some other, more important institutions that will get reports.

Once again, your game will not work. Excavations will continue, and when excavations end, then will see who was right about many things. Then each word from both sides will be measured in worldwide media. And I'm looking forward to that day.

Frank Harrist wrote:

bp wrote:

Frank Harrist wrote:
They should absolutely be screening the dirt and taking soil samples at each level. As far as I can tell they aren't doing either. Nor are they marking artifact locations. In fact I'd be real surprised if they are actually looking for artifacts at all. I have a bit of field experience. I know that even though I'm an amteur, I'd do a better job than they are apparently doing. I agree with you, Kat, that it belongs to the world, but the world isn't having much say in what's happening there so I guess it's my way of washing my hands of a matter over which I have no control when I say I don't care. I really do, but we are all helpless as long as the ringmaster is in charge.


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This thing really can drive me mad witha statements from Texas. Mr Frank Harris knows what is going on there.
FYI I was there first day and I was witness of the guy from the fondation who was taking samples into small bottles for the analysis. He is trained and university educated archaeologist.
What is wrong with you people, why are you making up things, for the lies like this in some countries you can end up in the court becarefull.

Regards

bp

I'm not making up anything. Does the phrase "as far as I can tell", mean anything to you? If they are doing it properly, then why aren't there any pictures of them doing it properly? I can only state what I have seen. I haven't been to the site and if they are doing all the things I said they weren't then good. Show me some pics. Otherwise .....sue me!

C'mon Frank Harrist, you know well that we don't have to show you some pictures just because you want it. And we also won't sue you because we don't care what you think. there is a way in this world to communicate with people. If you're honest and polite, than you can expect such ansers. If you behave differently, then you can expect different answers.

Some reasonable doubts have been raised there about quality of excavations. Those doubts have been expressed here from nice, concius concerned piont of view, to histeric, egoistic screaming. Each one will get answer that deserves.

No matter how much you hate Osmanagich, none of you will stop excavations. Obviously, many of you would like to see both osmanagich and excavations to go down the drain. Thah simply won't happen. You're not strong enough. So I suggest stop wasting your time, and spend your time in more efficiant way.

del

My game?

I'm playing no game.

Of course we can not stop the excavations going on in Bosnia, I for one never expected that we could. If you want to tear up the ground throughout Bosnia looking for evidence of a 12,000 year old supercivilization that has ties to Mesoamerica and Egypt (as Osmanagic has claimed) we certainly can not stop you.

However without proper methodology, recording and publishing you'll be hard pressed to get the world's archaeological community to accept anything that may be found. The context of anything found would be gone you see, and in archaeology context is everything.

Even if no archaeologists are willing to work with Osmanagic on this site he can pick up through almost any online bookstore a used copy of an archaeology textbook that will explain how he is supposed to be going about excavations. I found some used ones for as little as $10.

Katherine Reece wrote:My game?

I'm playing no game.

Of course we can not stop the excavations going on in Bosnia, I for one never expected that we could. If you want to tear up the ground throughout Bosnia looking for evidence of a 12,000 year old supercivilization that has ties to Mesoamerica and Egypt (as Osmanagic has claimed) we certainly can not stop you.

However without proper methodology, recording and publishing you'll be hard pressed to get the world's archaeological community to accept anything that may be found. The context of anything found would be gone you see, and in archaeology context is everything.

Even if no archaeologists are willing to work with Osmanagic on this site he can pick up through almost any online bookstore a used copy of an archaeology textbook that will explain how he is supposed to be going about excavations. I found some used ones for as little as $10.

Well, I presume you have read it. You must know a lot then.

stellarchaser wrote: it is really interesting to hear how "real archeologists" would like to organise excavations in some other country. Man can get feeling that they can't wait to show their expertise on the spot.

If that is directed at me I'm not an archaeologist. I always wanted to be one but life has ways of throwing things at you that detour you from your goals in life.

I have however read a number of books on the subject and learned from them. Thus I know how things should be done, I've also read loads of archaeological reports and thus I know how reports should be made.

This is also why I know that a simple $10-20 used book would help out a lot in showing them proper methodology.

I am also doing my best on these threads to remain polite to everyone... I ask the same in return.

Katherine Reece wrote:

stellarchaser wrote: it is really interesting to hear how "real archeologists" would like to organise excavations in some other country. Man can get feeling that they can't wait to show their expertise on the spot.

If that is directed at me I'm not an archaeologist. I always wanted to be one but life has ways of throwing things at you that detour you from your goals in life.

I have however read a number of books on the subject and learned from them. Thus I know how things should be done, I've also read loads of archaeological reports and thus I know how reports should be made.

This is also why I know that a simple $10-20 used book would help out a lot in showing them proper methodology.

I am also doing my best on these threads to remain polite to everyone... I ask the same in return.

then we are similar, same thing happened to me.

Katherine Reece wrote:

stellarchaser wrote: it is really interesting to hear how "real archeologists" would like to organise excavations in some other country. Man can get feeling that they can't wait to show their expertise on the spot.

If that is directed at me I'm not an archaeologist. I always wanted to be one but life has ways of throwing things at you that detour you from your goals in life.

I have however read a number of books on the subject and learned from them. Thus I know how things should be done, I've also read loads of archaeological reports and thus I know how reports should be made.

This is also why I know that a simple $10-20 used book would help out a lot in showing them proper methodology.

I am also doing my best on these threads to remain polite to everyone... I ask the same in return.

I'm very inclined to tell you that an archeological field conservator with 20 + years of experience is just the one to know exactly all that ,

but I won't

Gerra wrote: I'm very inclined to tell you that an archeological field conservator with 20 + years of experience is just the one to know exactly all that ,

but I won't

And you are referring to?

Katherine Reece wrote:My game?

I'm playing no game.

Of course we can not stop the excavations going on in Bosnia, I for one never expected that we could. If you want to tear up the ground throughout Bosnia looking for evidence of a 12,000 year old supercivilization that has ties to Mesoamerica and Egypt (as Osmanagic has claimed) we certainly can not stop you.

However without proper methodology, recording and publishing you'll be hard pressed to get the world's archaeological community to accept anything that may be found. The context of anything found would be gone you see, and in archaeology context is everything.

Even if no archaeologists are willing to work with Osmanagic on this site he can pick up through almost any online bookstore a used copy of an archaeology textbook that will explain how he is supposed to be going about excavations. I found some used ones for as little as $10.

katherine,

I would like to know what is your game, I dont think you have right to discuss something unless you are involved into it. You are never been at Visoko site but you have been on every single forum making up things and placing lies, roumors and nonsense.
We know that Osmanagic and people from foundation, do not belong to your club of the 'experts' and thanks god people like him exist to show us our real past from our ancestors not some assumption which are written in the existing books.
I want to know what do you want to achieve with your game . You should come to Visoko, please do not sneak behind in the cyberspace. This is forum on the internet which will not have much impact on the excavations in Bosnia which are planned to go for the next 10 years. If you are true scientist you will be with Bosnia observing and helping.
Only reason of you doing this, I think is to get traffic to your sites to become famous. ...Please tell us what is your real concern...

And why Archeology magazine should get any of the reports, after sending a letter to UNESCO, trying to stop their visit. A letter also full of lies. It was obviously hostile move. There are some other, more important institutions that will get reports.

Once again, your game will not work. Excavations will continue, and when excavations end, then will see who was right about many things. Then each word from both sides will be measured in worldwide media. And I'm looking forward to that day.

Fortunately science and the scientific discipline of archaeology do not work this way. If a researcher expects to be taken seriously reports are published in respected journals (like Science magazine) for peer review by the scientific/archaeological community worldwide. Field results are not selectively doled out only to supporters and withheld from critics. Likewise, fortunately, scientific matters are not decided by consensus of the worldwide media but by the worldwide scientific community in the form of peer reviewable counter arguments, also published in respected journals. All arguments both pro and contra are aired in a systematic and transparent manner. The outcome of such debates is not decided by an individual's charisma or media hype.

FreeThinker wrote:

And why Archeology magazine should get any of the reports, after sending a letter to UNESCO, trying to stop their visit. A letter also full of lies. It was obviously hostile move. There are some other, more important institutions that will get reports.

Once again, your game will not work. Excavations will continue, and when excavations end, then will see who was right about many things. Then each word from both sides will be measured in worldwide media. And I'm looking forward to that day.

Fortunately science and the scientific discipline of archaeology do not work this way. If a researcher expects to be taken seriously reports are published in respected journals (like Science magazine) for peer review by the scientific/archaeological community worldwide. Field results are not selectively doled out only to supporters and withheld from critics. Likewise, fortunately, scientific matters are not decided by consensus of the worldwide media but by the worldwide scientific community in the form of peer reviewable counter arguments, also published in respected journals. All arguments both pro and contra are aired in a systematic and transparent manner. The outcome of such debates is not decided by an individual's charisma or media hype.

I said that each word from both sides is well heard and preserved for later times. Those times will come one day when excavations are finished. Then those words will get real meaning.