Fingerprints of the Gods - Book Review

[Minimalist]

Aside from the monumental stones used in its construction is the sudden about face of the Egyptologists in accepting the Seti attribution.

You know me.....I'm always fascinated to watch the club in action.

[Beagle]

It seems to be that the Egyptologists have changed their minds several time, from what I'm reading. Hancock describes it as "lemming" behavior.

The obviously older part of the temple seems to be contemporaneous with the Sphinx temple, however old that is.

I'm not sure it was intended to be a restoration.

[Minimalist]

The Osireion:




The Temple of Seti at Abydos




They certainly do not look very similar.

[Beagle]

The sphinx temple at Giza is the structure that I think Hancock is comparing. He has a picture on page 403 I think .

The structure at Adybos seems to be a temple of Seti that probably unearthed an older temple. The workers seem to have restored the older structure and incorporated it into Setis' temple.

I'll double check this.

[Beagle]

I'm remembering something I read somewhere else I think. Hancock makes a brief mention of the "other" part of the temple that looks older. He also mentions that the whole structure is not aligned to the cardinal points but toward the NNE.

The AEs would not have disturbed a sacred stucture. They probably didn't realize it was there in the time of Seti I. So it seems to me that the older building was aligned NNE. In that part of the world that probably meant the Pleiades.

[Beagle]

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Here is a picture drawn by an archaeologist. It shows clearly that the temple of Seti I appears to have run into a much lower stucture, and turned the construction left - to avoid harming the Osirion.

My point is that this Osirion has the same architecture as the Sphinx temple at Giza.

[Minimalist]

The sphinx temple






shows the same kind of vertical fissures which Schoch noted in the sphinx wall.

Does not really look much like the Osireion but that one apparently had a roof which must have protected it for a long time.

Hancock notes that both are in the same undecorated style of the "Old Kingdom." I'll take your word about the stars.

[Beagle]

I think Hancock could have spent a little more of his time on this subject but it was not part of his agenda I guess.

He makes mention of the 5 funerary boats buried there. Whoever the boats were built for GH dangles the suggestion that Egyptians had contact with other parts of the world by seafaring. By that I mean beyond the kingdoms of the middle east.

I don't see them sailing out of the Mediteranean, or farther than the Harrapan culture.

[marduk]

Hancock notes that both are in the same undecorated style of the "Old Kingdom."

Hancock doesnt know what hes talking about
its well known that the Sphinx temple was built a long time after both the sphinx and the Osireon is far more recent as it was built by Seti the first

how is being undecorated a style anyway
if some archaeologist digs up both your houses in 2000 years time is he going to say
yup same culture because they both had plain wallpaper

seems like a no brainer to me
instead of trying to figure out how Hancock has twisted the truth this time why don't you read a decent source
what is it you don't like about the truth ?
ah yes I forgot
only orthodox club members know the truth and they are hiding it from you
I'm amazed at how well they've hidden it from Hancock
hahaha


http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/setiabydos.htm
The structure was built in an excavation in the sandy clay stratum of the desert, with almost vertical sides. Two parallel limestone walls running over the eastern room of the structure served as retaining walls for the sand bed upon which the temple was built. The foundations is cut many feet below the current level of the water table.

While this structure was built by Seti I, it was his grandson, Merenptah, who was responsible for its decorative theme. A much more simple structure than the main temple, a long passage, with its limestone pent roof, decorated with scenes and text from the Book of Gates and the Amduat leads through the mud brick enclosure wall at the northwest side of the complex. At a wide point in the passage, it makes a sharp left turn before leading into a long, transverse hall that has a corbel roof cut in the shape of a pent roof beneath. This in turn leads to a monumental hall. While this hall was only partially roofed around its sides with an ambulatory, it is not unlike the massively pillared chambers of the royal tombs in the Valley of the Kings. Measuring 30 x 20 meters, it is made from granite and appears anachronistic, though well suited to its purpose.

[Beagle]

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Here is a picture drawn by an archaeologist. It shows clearly that the temple of Seti I appears to have run into a much lower stucture, and turned the construction left - to avoid harming the Osirion.

My point is that this Osirion has the same architecture as the Sphinx temple at Giza.

Jumping back for a second. The inscriptions in the temple of Seti I look to me like praise for a "restorer" also. I know Egyptologists have good arguments on both sides, but those words are too much like the other attributions found on restored structures in Egypt.

So that puts me in the camp of those who believe the Osirion is an older building.

BTW, Min, Hancock spells it Osireion. That is more the British spelling. I checked and both ways are acceptable, so I'll be lazy.

I'll go back to reading.

[Minimalist]

I think the point with the boats is that they were not designed for river use but for the open sea. I doubt that large waves are a big problem on the Nile.

Again, his point seems to be that the design was present at the beginning of Egyptian civilization. His speculation is that the Egyptians were from a race of seafarers which is interesting but unproven. They could have captured the ships in a raid on a port...from the landward side....and never have gone near anything bigger than a raft themselves. When you think about it, it is a great way to impress people.

"We are so fucking tough that we anchor our enemy's ships in the middle of the desert."

In any case....why would a pharoah need 12 ships to get him through the afterlife?

[Beagle]

His speculation is that the Egyptians were from a race of seafarers which is interesting but unproven.

Well, the southern kingdom folks came from Nabta Playa. At least thats the current mainstream thinking. The idea of ancient seafarers just won't go away.

But at the time that Hancock wrote this book, he didn't even know about the Potokia monolith and the Fuente Magna.

Wonder what he thinks now.

It's almost midnight here. I'm gonna check around some places for interesting posts before I turn in. I'll be in here for a while tomorrow.

[Cognito]

In any case....why would a pharoah need 12 ships to get him through the afterlife?

Obviously, he had 12 boatloads of virgins to take with him. On second thought, what do you do with the boats after all the virgins have been deflowered? Return for more virgins?

I've never known the Egyptians to be great seafarers. Didn't they have the Phoenicians for that? After all, who did Nekhau get to circumnavigate Africa? And who had the nearest forest?

[Minimalist]

I'm liking my version better and better!

[marduk]

So that puts me in the camp of those who believe the Osirion is an older building.

dude it is inscribed with Hieroglyphs that say who built it
it was Seti the first

In any case....why would a pharoah need 12 ships to get him through the afterlife?

if you understood the egyptian beliefs about the afterlife you would already know the answer to that question

he didn't even know about the Potokia monolith and the Fuente Magna.

the Pokotia monolith is a mesoamerican styled statue carved from a mesoamerican mineral and the fuente magna has been proven fake more times than pamela andersons tits

I know Dr C A Winters personally and although he did the translation even in his opinion its a bad fake
a very bad fake

I've never known the Egyptians to be great seafarers

they were about the worst seafarers in the ancient world
because there is no record of them ever going to sea
the one occaison they made a lengthy river trip (to punt) Queen Hatsheput who commissioned it had her tomb painted with murals of what she regarded as her greatest achievement

bit like you Cogs going down to new mexico for a taco and regarding it as your greatest triumph

I think you already know exactly why there were boats buried by the great pyramid
the Ka (not ford) of the dead pharoah was believed to travel the river of the dead on his way to heaven
at no time and at no place anywhere in the entire history of Egyptian descriptions of the afterlife does it say the Pharoah was swimming