Do any of you guys watch those pando videos on Windows Media player?
R/W is having some trouble getting it to play and I tried it here and W-M wouldn't play the files, either.
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I'll go ahead and tell you what happened to me. We spent most of the day downloading Toba. During a prolonged period of non-transmission I recieved another Pando package on Toba. I asked you why I got two, Min, and you didn't know either.
After the download, I started to watch the movie but The computer wouldn't open the file, saying that it had either been moved or deleted.
So I deleted that and downloaded the other one. It downloaded in only 45 min. and worked perfectly.
That may or may not be relevant to Raven. That is the only movie that it ever happened with.
After the download, I started to watch the movie but The computer wouldn't open the file, saying that it had either been moved or deleted.
So I deleted that and downloaded the other one. It downloaded in only 45 min. and worked perfectly.
That may or may not be relevant to Raven. That is the only movie that it ever happened with.
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If you're using Windows 9 you can check this page to upgrade the codecs
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia ... Pack.shtml
If you Windows Media 10 this won't work. It should tell you which version you have.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia ... Pack.shtml
If you Windows Media 10 this won't work. It should tell you which version you have.
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Dumb question but is DVD video a selected file type in your Windows Media options box?
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I have Win 11 and when I right click on the top, near where it says Windows Media Player I get a box that says File View Play and Tools.
Tools is the one you want and there should be a tab that says "options."
On that, there should be another tab that says "File Types."
Tools is the one you want and there should be a tab that says "options."
On that, there should be another tab that says "File Types."
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http://www.afterdawn.com/faq/general_pl ... _files.cfm
I had the same problem until I downloaded windows media player classic. For some reason, the latest and greatest WMP10 (Windows XP service pack 2) does not hack it.
EDIT:
As I was posting the above, I opened media player to verify my version, and a pop up reminded me to download an update. Apparently it is a new version since it is a 24mb update! So maybe tonight, the standard version of WM will work. Who knows?
I had the same problem until I downloaded windows media player classic. For some reason, the latest and greatest WMP10 (Windows XP service pack 2) does not hack it.
EDIT:
As I was posting the above, I opened media player to verify my version, and a pop up reminded me to download an update. Apparently it is a new version since it is a 24mb update! So maybe tonight, the standard version of WM will work. Who knows?
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In studying the politics of Herod, he was crafty and fortunate as well as treacherous when needed.
He was a supporter of Antonius and engaged in the Arab Wars at the urging of Cleopatra. This of course resulted in his alienation with Augustus when Antonius committed suicide. Herod then sailed to meet Augustus and engendered himself to the emperor. But several times throughout his kingship he had to repeat the groveling act in order to restore his good graces.
Augustus held several enumerations empire wide and probably others more frequently. Egypt for example was taxed every 14 years beginning at 10 bce. The three world-wide enumerations (Res Gestae) you referenced earlier included one in 8bce would have included the province of syria and Herod's kingdom, though there is no proof it was actually carried out until later due to other political upheavals in the area including a change in the governorship if Syria and according to some speculation Quirinius may have been assigned the overseer of the task without being made governor (the Luke reference does not need to mean governor, just ruler because in another place he names Pilatte as governor of Judea using the same greek word, when in fact he was procurator).
Other enumerations were also held when Augustus needed to reaffirm his popularity (Res Gestae 34 - 2bce) and standing among the people or the case of the local census when Archaleus was deposed (Ant 17.13.5). There is no evidence the enumeration which (8bce) which would have eventually cause the displacement of Joseph needed to be a taxation or strict census. The greek language indicates some type of recording taking place.
Further, the records of Augustus acts are not perfect in that much of what is known about him is cobbled together from fragments of records which do not give a complete history. The rest is filled-in by external sources and speculation on the part of historians.
If necessary I can overwhelm you with references to this point of view and where the history is not backed by actual records of the time, we are left with speculation which must be evaluated according to scholarship and not rhetoric.
He was a supporter of Antonius and engaged in the Arab Wars at the urging of Cleopatra. This of course resulted in his alienation with Augustus when Antonius committed suicide. Herod then sailed to meet Augustus and engendered himself to the emperor. But several times throughout his kingship he had to repeat the groveling act in order to restore his good graces.
Augustus held several enumerations empire wide and probably others more frequently. Egypt for example was taxed every 14 years beginning at 10 bce. The three world-wide enumerations (Res Gestae) you referenced earlier included one in 8bce would have included the province of syria and Herod's kingdom, though there is no proof it was actually carried out until later due to other political upheavals in the area including a change in the governorship if Syria and according to some speculation Quirinius may have been assigned the overseer of the task without being made governor (the Luke reference does not need to mean governor, just ruler because in another place he names Pilatte as governor of Judea using the same greek word, when in fact he was procurator).
Other enumerations were also held when Augustus needed to reaffirm his popularity (Res Gestae 34 - 2bce) and standing among the people or the case of the local census when Archaleus was deposed (Ant 17.13.5). There is no evidence the enumeration which (8bce) which would have eventually cause the displacement of Joseph needed to be a taxation or strict census. The greek language indicates some type of recording taking place.
Further, the records of Augustus acts are not perfect in that much of what is known about him is cobbled together from fragments of records which do not give a complete history. The rest is filled-in by external sources and speculation on the part of historians.
If necessary I can overwhelm you with references to this point of view and where the history is not backed by actual records of the time, we are left with speculation which must be evaluated according to scholarship and not rhetoric.
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The KJV version says: And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
The generic Roman term for the governor of any province was
rector provinciae. His actual status was determined by a lot of things including (most importantly) his class. Equestrians, such as Pilate, Coponius, Gratas, could be prefects not "governors." Militarily sensitive positions such as Syria and Germany had to be ex-consuls and therefore members of the Senatorial class.
The apologists for the discrepancy in Luke/Matthew have known of this for quite some time and have twisted in the wind in a desperate search to reconcile the contradictions.
But it doesn't work.
The original idea of the Roman census was to evaluate the wealth of a Roman citizen for the purpose of assigning them to the proper military class for the legio (levy) from which word we get "legion." Citizens of a certain ranking were expected to equip themselves as hastati, principes or triarii going up in wealth. These were the heavy infantry classes of the old Republican army. In addition, those whose wealth gave them a horse were Equites (cavalrymen) while those who fell under the limit for entrance into the Hastati were considered light troops, skirmishers, slingers, etc....guys who ran around on the edges and tried to hit someone in the back if they could. This process continued in one form or another until 105 BC when Gaius Marius professionalized the Roman army and did away with the citizen militias and levies. A book could be written about the reasons behind that.
What is less well known is that around 160 BC Rome grew so rich that direct taxation of Roman citizens in Italy was discontinued. So, there was no correlation between the census and taxation in Italy at all. In the provinces things were different and as the various provinces were organized (and there was always a revolt or two that had to be suppressed before things quieted down) the governors took an inventory of what they had on hand.
Josephus tells us that Quirinius personally went to Judaea to begin the process, which makes sense...sail to Caesarea and then take the long route to Damascus to see what's going on.
The 8bc census conducted by Augustus clearly results in a counting of Roman Citizens. Most of those would have been in Italy, of course, but it was a feature of Roman colonial administration to reward helpful locals by granting them "Roman citizenship." What Quirinius was doing was taking an inventory. What Augustus did was count "citizens." There may have been a few in Judaea but it certainly would not have amounted to a sizeable percentage.
Now, there is a school of though that Luke drew his historical references from Josephus. Josephus wrote "The Jewish War" in Rome in the late 70's and early 80's AD. He wrote "Antiquities of the Jews" around 93 AD, also in Rome. If Luke did know of this work it means that his "gospel" was written after 93 and quite probably WELL after 93 given the slowness of hand copying books in those days. If that is the case then the example of Vespasian, who in 74 AD DID issue a decree for an empire-wide census would have still be fresh in everyone's mind.
Luke is already a man who had lost sight of the fact that "Nazareth" and "Bethlehem" were in separate kingdoms... it isn't so hard to think that he may have mistaken the decree of Vespasian for the actions of prior emperors.
The generic Roman term for the governor of any province was
rector provinciae. His actual status was determined by a lot of things including (most importantly) his class. Equestrians, such as Pilate, Coponius, Gratas, could be prefects not "governors." Militarily sensitive positions such as Syria and Germany had to be ex-consuls and therefore members of the Senatorial class.
The apologists for the discrepancy in Luke/Matthew have known of this for quite some time and have twisted in the wind in a desperate search to reconcile the contradictions.
But it doesn't work.
The original idea of the Roman census was to evaluate the wealth of a Roman citizen for the purpose of assigning them to the proper military class for the legio (levy) from which word we get "legion." Citizens of a certain ranking were expected to equip themselves as hastati, principes or triarii going up in wealth. These were the heavy infantry classes of the old Republican army. In addition, those whose wealth gave them a horse were Equites (cavalrymen) while those who fell under the limit for entrance into the Hastati were considered light troops, skirmishers, slingers, etc....guys who ran around on the edges and tried to hit someone in the back if they could. This process continued in one form or another until 105 BC when Gaius Marius professionalized the Roman army and did away with the citizen militias and levies. A book could be written about the reasons behind that.
What is less well known is that around 160 BC Rome grew so rich that direct taxation of Roman citizens in Italy was discontinued. So, there was no correlation between the census and taxation in Italy at all. In the provinces things were different and as the various provinces were organized (and there was always a revolt or two that had to be suppressed before things quieted down) the governors took an inventory of what they had on hand.
Josephus tells us that Quirinius personally went to Judaea to begin the process, which makes sense...sail to Caesarea and then take the long route to Damascus to see what's going on.
The 8bc census conducted by Augustus clearly results in a counting of Roman Citizens. Most of those would have been in Italy, of course, but it was a feature of Roman colonial administration to reward helpful locals by granting them "Roman citizenship." What Quirinius was doing was taking an inventory. What Augustus did was count "citizens." There may have been a few in Judaea but it certainly would not have amounted to a sizeable percentage.
Now, there is a school of though that Luke drew his historical references from Josephus. Josephus wrote "The Jewish War" in Rome in the late 70's and early 80's AD. He wrote "Antiquities of the Jews" around 93 AD, also in Rome. If Luke did know of this work it means that his "gospel" was written after 93 and quite probably WELL after 93 given the slowness of hand copying books in those days. If that is the case then the example of Vespasian, who in 74 AD DID issue a decree for an empire-wide census would have still be fresh in everyone's mind.
Luke is already a man who had lost sight of the fact that "Nazareth" and "Bethlehem" were in separate kingdoms... it isn't so hard to think that he may have mistaken the decree of Vespasian for the actions of prior emperors.
Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed.
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Following the war with Antonius and the battle at Actium, in 31bce, Augustus became the head of the military rule of the empire making him effectively chief governor. But the senate retained control of those provinces which were considered 'friendly' with rome. This is mostly those which were closest to rome such a sicily, bactria, crete, etc. Therefore Augustus had the responsibility for the more distant and potentially hostile provinces as well as being responsible for the security of those on the frontier. Within the senatorial provinces, the rules of governorship remained unchanged with Augustus. These governors served one year terms and were called proconsuls, regardless of rank or class.
The other provinces were called the imperial provinces and included Germany, Syria, Spain, Gaul, Britain and others. Of course independent kingdoms and territories were organized under this greater imperial provinces and governors were assigned by the emperor himself rather than senate appointment. In addition these governors had no limits on the duration of their terms, being solely at the discretion of the emporer. Class distinction were maintained in these provinces and these individuals were hand chosen typically from among the the nobles because they had control over military forces within their provinces. They were known as legati (governors) and fell into two distinctions, legati consulares and legati priorii. Under them, were selected other nobles who assisted in the administrative duties of their respective districts under the title of procurator or in some places prefects.
It is known that Judea fell under the provincial rule of the syrian governor after Pompey subjugated them in 64bce and a procurator was installed. But there is no historical source which defines the true nature of the relationship between the Judean Procurator and the Syrian Governor and it is not clear how that relationship may have changed as new people moved in and out of administrative duty. It is also, not entirely clear what degree of freedom Herod had since he needed Augustus' approval to carry out many of his actions. It was the custom of Rome to allow some internal autonomy in the governing of these territories which is why the Jewish Sanhedrin were allowed to operate with certain autonomy, especially in regards to religious affairs. It seems therefore, that the role of the procurator was more to protect the rights of the roman citizens within the territory. So obviously, there were enough there that it was worth the cost and adminsitration of installing a procurator early on in Judea. Paul, writer of most of the New testement epistles declared himself a Roman citizen by birth right. So, though he practiced different religions, he considered himself legally Roman. It was the duty of the procurator to enforce the taxes but he was not allowed to change the tax rates.
There is no squirming within apologetic circles about the accuracy of Luke and his gospel. The squirming is the result of the lack of understanding of the true nature of the provincial government and its administration and lack of written records about various administrators; speciifically when were they assigned and replaced and what were their specific duties in relation to the others. Much of this seemed to be under the sole discretion of the emperor. The fact that the palestinian territory was made of different kindoms is irrelevant since people moved easily between the political borders (the distinction being more cultural than geographicl) and all fell under the roman jurisdiction of the local procurator and Syrian legato.
The other provinces were called the imperial provinces and included Germany, Syria, Spain, Gaul, Britain and others. Of course independent kingdoms and territories were organized under this greater imperial provinces and governors were assigned by the emperor himself rather than senate appointment. In addition these governors had no limits on the duration of their terms, being solely at the discretion of the emporer. Class distinction were maintained in these provinces and these individuals were hand chosen typically from among the the nobles because they had control over military forces within their provinces. They were known as legati (governors) and fell into two distinctions, legati consulares and legati priorii. Under them, were selected other nobles who assisted in the administrative duties of their respective districts under the title of procurator or in some places prefects.
It is known that Judea fell under the provincial rule of the syrian governor after Pompey subjugated them in 64bce and a procurator was installed. But there is no historical source which defines the true nature of the relationship between the Judean Procurator and the Syrian Governor and it is not clear how that relationship may have changed as new people moved in and out of administrative duty. It is also, not entirely clear what degree of freedom Herod had since he needed Augustus' approval to carry out many of his actions. It was the custom of Rome to allow some internal autonomy in the governing of these territories which is why the Jewish Sanhedrin were allowed to operate with certain autonomy, especially in regards to religious affairs. It seems therefore, that the role of the procurator was more to protect the rights of the roman citizens within the territory. So obviously, there were enough there that it was worth the cost and adminsitration of installing a procurator early on in Judea. Paul, writer of most of the New testement epistles declared himself a Roman citizen by birth right. So, though he practiced different religions, he considered himself legally Roman. It was the duty of the procurator to enforce the taxes but he was not allowed to change the tax rates.
There is no squirming within apologetic circles about the accuracy of Luke and his gospel. The squirming is the result of the lack of understanding of the true nature of the provincial government and its administration and lack of written records about various administrators; speciifically when were they assigned and replaced and what were their specific duties in relation to the others. Much of this seemed to be under the sole discretion of the emperor. The fact that the palestinian territory was made of different kindoms is irrelevant since people moved easily between the political borders (the distinction being more cultural than geographicl) and all fell under the roman jurisdiction of the local procurator and Syrian legato.