Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[Katherine Reece]

I would like to know what is your game, I dont think you have right to discuss something unless you are involved into it.

I'm playing no game. You don't think I have a right to discuss something unless I'm involved in it? Really?

You are never been at Visoko site but you have been on every single forum making up things and placing lies, roumors and nonsense.

Ah ... so now the insults begin. Its is no lie that Doug and I have been in touch with the archaeologists that Osmanagic has claimed are working on his site, and it is no lie that everyone that we have contacted are NOT working on his site. It is no lie that I can look at the pictures of the excavations and tell that proper methodology does not appear to be followed.

We know that Osmanagic and people from foundation, do not belong to your club of the 'experts' and thanks god people like him exist to show us our real past from our ancestors not some assumption which are written in the existing books.

There is no club, this is something people say when they want to claim that they are being shut out unfairly. Do you believe that there could have been a 12,000 year old supercivilization in Bosnia that had contact with Mesoamerica and Egypt? Bear in mind that 12,000 years ago there were no Mesoamerican or Egyptian pyramids or civilizations.

Only reason of you doing this, I think is to get traffic to your sites to become famous. ...Please tell us what is your real concern..

And by posting here I get you to post at Ma'at how? Ma'at has plently of traffic, I'm quite happy with the traffic we get already. If I wanted to be famous there are much simplier (and quicker!) ways of doing it.

My concern? History.

If I were agreeing with you and Osmanagic in all way would you insist that I go to Bosnia and see for myself? I think not.

[bp]

They should absolutely be screening the dirt and taking soil samples at each level. As far as I can tell they aren't doing either. Nor are they marking artifact locations. In fact I'd be real surprised if they are actually looking for artifacts at all. I have a bit of field experience. I know that even though I'm an amteur, I'd do a better job than they are apparently doing. I agree with you, Kat, that it belongs to the world, but the world isn't having much say in what's happening there so I guess it's my way of washing my hands of a matter over which I have no control when I say I don't care. I really do, but we are all helpless as long as the ringmaster is in charge.


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This thing really can drive me mad witha statements from Texas. Mr Frank Harris knows what is going on there.
FYI I was there first day and I was witness of the guy from the fondation who was taking samples into small bottles for the analysis. He is trained and university educated archaeologist.
What is wrong with you people, why are you making up things, for the lies like this in some countries you can end up in the court becarefull.

Regards

bp

I'm not making up anything. Does the phrase "as far as I can tell", mean anything to you? If they are doing it properly, then why aren't there any pictures of them doing it properly? I can only state what I have seen. I haven't been to the site and if they are doing all the things I said they weren't then good. Show me some pics. Otherwise .....sue me!

I'm wandering what you can tell us....please do not discuss things that you are not involved in. All that you can do from Texas is to assume how things are done Bosnia...Things like 'as far as I can say'...you can use somewhere else, not here not to accuse hard working Bosnians on the site...because you assume from the pictures that you saw...maybe if you look more...maybe will find more pictures...It's pathetic that you artrying to judge excavations from the images not from the hard evidence on the site.
Do not expect that everything is published on the internet. There are so many things happening every day over here ... some image to show you how things are done...even If we give you an image you will say...angle is not good and so on...maybe image will not be real....u will say It's fake...since you already judging things ...because do not fit into things that you learn from the books....

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bp

[stellarchaser]

I would like to know what is your game, I dont think you have right to discuss something unless you are involved into it.

I'm playing no game. You don't think I have a right to discuss something unless I'm involved in it? Really?

You are never been at Visoko site but you have been on every single forum making up things and placing lies, roumors and nonsense.

Ah ... so now the insults begin. Its is no lie that Doug and I have been in touch with the archaeologists that Osmanagic has claimed are working on his site, and it is no lie that everyone that we have contacted are NOT working on his site. It is no lie that I can look at the pictures of the excavations and tell that proper methodology does not appear to be followed.

We know that Osmanagic and people from foundation, do not belong to your club of the 'experts' and thanks god people like him exist to show us our real past from our ancestors not some assumption which are written in the existing books.

There is no club, this is something people say when they want to claim that they are being shut out unfairly. Do you believe that there could have been a 12,000 year old supercivilization in Bosnia that had contact with Mesoamerica and Egypt? Bear in mind that 12,000 years ago there were no Mesoamerican or Egyptian pyramids or civilizations.

Only reason of you doing this, I think is to get traffic to your sites to become famous. ...Please tell us what is your real concern..

And by posting here I get you to post at Ma'at how? Ma'at has plently of traffic, I'm quite happy with the traffic we get already. If I wanted to be famous there are much simplier (and quicker!) ways of doing it.

My concern? History.

If I were agreeing with you and Osmanagic in all way would you insist that I go to Bosnia and see for myself? I think not.

Do you believe that there could have been a 12,000 year old supercivilization in Bosnia that had contact with Mesoamerica and Egypt? Bear in mind that 12,000 years ago there were no Mesoamerican or Egyptian pyramids or civilizations.

For your information, in neighbouring Serbia there are two large and famous prehistoric civilizations.

One is Lepenski Vir (7.500 - 5.000 BC) and Vinca (5.000 - 3.500 BC). Both had letter (Vinca letter). Excavations on Vinca Culture last from 1925 till today, and they aren't finished yet, because the site is huge. Vinca culture strata is 10,5 meters thick. So imagine prehistoric archeological site that is excavated almost 100 years, and the work is still not finished.

In neighbouring Rumania archeologists discovered also tablets with letters, very simmilar to sumerian pictographic letter, only that Rumanian ones are older 2.500 thousand years.

Pyramids in Greece are older than egyptian ones (dating was done by Univercity of Edinbrough and Athens Academy). So what is so outrageous that we can expect some old civilization on the Balkans? Please tell me.
History books say that first letter apeared in Mesopotamia and that first pyramids were built in Egypt. But history books are wrong, and they have to be rewritten. First letter apeared on balkan peninsula at least 3.000 years prior those in Sumer.

Science is constantly changing. There are not dogmatic truths. And nothing can stop knowledge.

[DougWeller]

have you seen this photo

Radar image


this is possible tunels trough the sun pyramid

They'd have to be pretty close to the surface to show up. I can't be sure how close as it depends on the soil, but pretty close. Of course, if they are tunnels through rock...

[bp]

I would like to know what is your game, I dont think you have right to discuss something unless you are involved into it.

My concern? History.

If I were agreeing with you and Osmanagic in all way would you insist that I go to Bosnia and see for myself? I think not.

If your concern is history ....you would be here to show us...how things are done...But you took easy option ....use a keyboard ... because thats the only thing that you know...you are not brave to meet Osmanagic like all the others to defend your opinion....just writing rumours...we heard this....we saw that...we assume...as far as i can say...etc...come and than we can talk.....
On the end of the day...if there is no pyramid....fine....we did not have it before....there was guy (Mr Lovrenovic) here who told on TV that he will burn himself to death if they prove there was a pyramid there...r u one of this people....hard core opposition...because does not fit your learning so far...this guy is very quiet now....after first blocks are senn daylight....
Osmanagic claims that we have 3 pyramids...and soon excavations will start on the others....and when we find blocks..,....u will than say...it's not like one i Egypt...etc....

[Katherine Reece]

One is Lepenski Vir (7.500 - 5.000 BC) and Vinca (5.000 - 3.500 BC). Both had letter (Vinca letter). In neighbouring Rumania archeologists discovered also tablets with letters, very simmilar to sumerian pictographic letter, only that Rumanian ones are older 2.500 thousand years.

I am familar with these. I'm not aware of any monumental architecture created by either culture, and IIRC Lepenski Vir did not reach its peak until about the same as the Vinca timeframe. A supercivilization 12,000 years ago would date to 10,000 BC (roughly) ... and bear in mind Osmanagic calls it a "supercivilization" That is quite a large jump further back in time from the dates you're citing.

[Katherine Reece]

If your concern is history ....you would be here to show us...how things are done...But you took easy option ....use a keyboard ... because thats the only thing that you know...you are not brave to meet Osmanagic

You are making the assumption that I have the funds to do so.... I assure you I don't.

I would suggest that you have no idea how brave I am or am not. YOU are the one making assumptions here about ME ....

Everyone else here has been quite nice ... you however are being quite rude.

[stellarchaser]

One is Lepenski Vir (7.500 - 5.000 BC) and Vinca (5.000 - 3.500 BC). Both had letter (Vinca letter). In neighbouring Rumania archeologists discovered also tablets with letters, very simmilar to sumerian pictographic letter, only that Rumanian ones are older 2.500 thousand years.

I am familar with these. I'm not aware of any monumental architecture created by either culture, and IIRC Lepenski Vir did not reach its peak until about the same as the Vinca timeframe. A supercivilization 12,000 years ago would date to 10,000 BC (roughly) ... and bear in mind Osmanagic calls it a "supercivilization" That is quite a large jump further back in time from the dates you're citing.

I am familar with these. I'm not aware of any monumental architecture created by either culture, and IIRC Lepenski Vir did not reach its peak until about the same as the Vinca timeframe.

I can't expalin, because I'm not good in mathematics, but Lepenski Vir architecture used mathematical method discovered in 18th century AD. I'll find more and let you know.

As for civilization prior to these, I don't see any reason why it can't exist.
We have witnessed now that recent discoveries in mesoamerica are putting back datings of those cultures there. Again, there's no dogmatic truths in science.

[ReneDescartes]

Looking up the claim that scripture was invented by neolithic civilisations in the Balkans like the Vinca culture,I was unable to find a reliable source ,perhaps stellarchaser can provide us with some information ?

[stellarchaser]

Looking up the claim that scripture was invented by neolithic civilisations in the Balkans like the Vinca culture,I was unable to find a reliable source ,perhaps stellarchaser can provide us with some information ?

Gladly, just I need day or two to gather all reliable and relevant information. I'm not keeping it in my sleeve, I hope you have understanding for that

And, I didn't say that neolithic civilizations invented latter, just that discovered letter predates those in Mesopotamia. Maybe scientists will find even earlier letter.

[bp]

If your concern is history ....you would be here to show us...how things are done...But you took easy option ....use a keyboard ... because thats the only thing that you know...you are not brave to meet Osmanagic

You are making the assumption that I have the funds to do so.... I assure you I don't.

I would suggest that you have no idea how brave I am or am not. YOU are the one making assumptions here about ME ....

Everyone else here has been quite nice ... you however are being quite rude.

Being rude is for me when adults are not telling true about things.
In this case that's YOU, talking about a site at Visoko, without real knowldge about site.
I as Bosnian and I'm offended with a lies that your distributing here.

Regards,


bp

[Gerra]

I'm very inclined to tell you that an archeological field conservator with 20 + years of experience is just the one to know exactly all that ,

but I won't

And you are referring to?

And you claim knowledge ?

Sorry to be a bother

[Katherine Reece]

I as Bosnian and I'm offended with a lies that your distributing here.

I haven't told a single lie .... and I will not reply to you again as long as you are continuing to address me in such a rude manner.

[Katherine Reece]

I can't expalin, because I'm not good in mathematics, but Lepenski Vir architecture used mathematical method discovered in 18th century AD. I'll find more and let you know.

LOL !! You'll be the blind leading the blind then ... I abhor mathematics.

I have read that they were familar with geometry and laid their homes out accordingly. But that doesn't get us to any monumental architecture constructed by them.

I'd be happy to read whatever you can find however, English language resources can be hard to come by.

[Katherine Reece]

And you claim knowledge ?

Sorry to be a bother

~sigh~
I hate guessing games ... I assume you are meaning Dr. el-Hadidi?

If so she has only recently arrived on the scene there. I do hope that she'll make changes but thus far we've seen no indication of that have we? I assure you no one would be happier than myself to find out I'm wrong.