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Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:16 am**

Thie we come across all the time

No - "we" don't.

just because it looks human means nothing

Yes - it does.

truth is we really dont know.

Yes -"we" do.

I had my first taxonomy lesson in High School. Later, at Purdue University, I had more taxonomy in Bio lab. For many years now, science has classified the human family under the genus "homo".

Check your dictionary.

Digit - I left you a message above.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:49 am**

Thanks Beag. I found it a bit heavy going but I think I got the gist of it eventually. I noticed towards the end he confirmed that HSN features were probably bred out. My argument entirely as supported by the loss of Arabic genes from the modern Spanish population.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:22 pm**

F T :
Watch it here!!
You can get into all kinds of deep do do if you say it isn't human until it has morals.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:36 pm**

Beags, thanks for finding that article. It led me to another article I read a year ago that was interesting. Quote:

"The widest survey for introgression thus far was by Plagnol and Wall (2006), who conclude that around five percent of human genes show some evidence for introgression from archaic humans."

If you thought Hawks' article was difficult to read through, go for this one by Plagnol and Wall:

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/perlse ... 20105&ct=1

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:25 pm**

Thanks a lot Cogs, and yeah, that was a lot to plod through. I had read reports of that study but this was the first time I have read the actual thing.

Great paper. There are a lot of shocked and confused people right now over the results of the Genome Project, and Paabo et al have been very quiet for a while now, since their DNA sample came up 80% contaminated, in all three labs.

Hawks suggests it may not be contaminated at all.

Seems to be little doubt about admixture.

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:43 pm**

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... thals.html

Climate Change Put Big Chill on Neandertals, Study Says
James Owen
for National Geographic News
January 3, 2008
Neandertals in western Europe were ravaged by an increasingly hostile climate rather than an invasion of modern humans, according to new research.
Beset by freezing conditions and food shortages, populations of Neandertals (often spelled "Neanderthals") dwindled between 40,000 and 35,000 years ago, the research suggests.

Modern humans, meanwhile, didn't settle western Europe until much later than had been thought, the study says.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:34 am**

Now there's a brave man! But it would make sense that a climate that was harsh enough to cause problems for a cold adatepted species, HSN, would be unsuitable for HSS, which has always been a problem for me.

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:19 am**

Very interesting idea but there were HNS in southern Europe and the Levant where it never really got that cold and where, apparently they lived side-by-side with HSS, and less-apparently may have interbred with them.

Posted: **Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:40 pm**

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/01/2 ... g-toe.html

Jan. 25, 2008 -- People started wearing shoes around 40,000 years ago, according to a study on recently excavated small toe bones that belonged to an individual from China who apparently loved shoes.

Most footwear erodes over time. The earliest known shoes, rope sandals that attached to the feet with string, date to only around 10,000 B.C. For the new study, the clues were in middle toe bones that change during an individual's lifetime if the person wears shoes a lot.

Holliday, however, doubts that Neanderthals were completely shoe-free.

"Considering that they lived in Europe primarily during glacial periods, I find it highly improbable that they did not wear some type of footwear, so what I think is most likely is that they wore some type of soft wraps on their feet that did not alter their locomoter biomechanics of their feet the way a stiff-soled shoe would," Holliday said.

Trinkaus agrees with Holliday's Neanderthal theory, although he suggested Neanderthals might have frequently gone barefoot too.

"Some individuals even today still don't wear shoes and live in very cold

Study by Trinkaus on the earliest footwear - hard soled shoes that is.

Posted: **Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:44 pm**

http://averyremoteperiodindeed.blogspot ... color.html

This article/blog discusses a study done that shows evidence of neanderthal art, and how they used different pigments to decorate various objects, including themselves.

http://www.eva.mpg.de/evolution/staff/s ... reille.pdf

This is the actual study. It's in French and so far there is no translation.
When one becomes available, I'll post it. It's worth looking at though because of the illustrations, and yes, there is a picture of the "Neanderthal Flute".

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:44 am**

Beags, I am fluent in French. The article is a very convincing work that outlines the artistic discoveries attributed to Neanderthals (beads, flutes, etc.) and goes as far as to speculate that they were painting themselves with pigments also. Beautiful pics.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:37 pm**

Fascinating. Every week our predecessors show up more like us.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:37 pm**

Yeah....in a little bit more time it may turn out that there was no significant difference at all.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:02 pm**

True Min, but I'll bet there's a lot of people who will resist to the bitter end.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:14 pm**

Cognito wrote:Beags, I am fluent in French. The article is a very convincing work that outlines the artistic discoveries attributed to Neanderthals (beads, flutes, etc.) and goes as far as to speculate that they were painting themselves with pigments also. Beautiful pics.

I am not fluent in French Cogs. I read what was said under the pics, but I didn't want to tackle 13 pages. I'm sure I'll find an English copy soon. Thanks for giving us your impression of it.

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