Syro-Palestinian Archaeology

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:33 pm

We'll know soon enough. I just sent it to him.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:44 pm

You know, some day I am going to have up follow up on this legendary “Arch”
But in the article itself they make mention of Daniel’s prophesy (9:27)
Concerning a “half week” and “times, time and half a time” (7:25)
That is 3 ½ days.
So, if he knows hir OT, my money is on those of you who are saying he will say it was prophesied.
Because it was.

Now I am going to get theological, so be warned.

They speak in the article of “The traditional Jewish view of the Messiahs coming being a triumphal, powerful descendant of King David.”
Because of the hated Roman rule that was what many Jews were looking for then.
A human, political ruler.
(Many still are expecting a political “solution“. Both Jews and Christians.)
There were a whole lot of people looking for Jesus 4 days after the crucifixion.
The problem of the time was that the idea of a resurrection to a spiritual life, vs. a human one, was not understood.
It was a concept Jesus had to repeatedly reinforce to the Apostles.
Therefore the problem was they didn’t recognize the concept of the 2 comings of the Messiah.
The first as a perfect human that had to die, and then the second as a sprit King to “rule the Earth.”
The need for instant gratification is nothing new.
Christ’s human death did 2 important things.
In addition to starting Christianity and opening up the promise of Gods forgiveness to all mankind, it ended Judaism.
The whole purpose of the Law Covenant, as giving to Moses, with all its rules and regulations, was to point out that it was impossible for an imperfect human to fully obey all Gods requirements.
The Law just could not be fully obeyed.
Except by a perfect human.
Which Jesus was, since he did not have a human father, and the “inherited sin” was passed on by the male linage.
So, by his death, he showed that it could be done, and he took that responsibly off the Jews.
Mr. Knohl is wrong. It is not an either / or thing. His shed blood did both.

I guess I count as one of those that “am comfortable in the Jewishness of Christianity.”
It was founded by the perfect Jew.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:45 pm

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And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
destroy Matt 22:7, Luke 19:27
27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 9 26 and 27.

It says "weeks." Is this yet another example of xtians deciding arbiitrarily when something is literal and when it is symbolic?

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:55 pm

Because of the hated Roman rule that was what many Jews were looking for then.

Direct "Roman Rule" of Judaea did not begin until 6 AD and was discontinued in 41 when Herod Agrippa was made king. Direct Roman Rule" of Galilee did not even begin until 44 when Herod Agrippa died and the Romans took over. Considerable elements of Judaean society may have resented the Herodians who were Arabs and not Jews but the Romans seem to have wanted someone else to rule the region for them. Even after the Great Revolt the Romans left the area in the hands of Herod Agrippa II until his death c 100.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:06 pm

kbs2244 wrote:But in the article itself they make mention of Daniel’s prophesy (9:27)
Concerning a “half week” and “times, time and half a time” (7:25)
That is 3 ½ days.

Not to nitpick there KB, but that's three and a half years, not days. Daniel related prophetical time in a day=year formula; 1 week = 7 years. One need only look at the famous 70 weeks of years prophecy to understand this. This is the prophecy which foretold the number of years between the decree of Cyrus to the rebuilding of Jerusalem's wall until the coming of the Messiah. And it mysteriously omits one week (7 years) which is said to be a future 7 year period in Jewish history during which...

Well...read it yourself.

rich · Post by **rich** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:18 pm

Soooo, Min - did he shit a brick????

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:41 pm

Deep in denial....which is not unexpected!

it is just another non-believer who does not grasp the realities of the christan world and thinks he can read minds that are long dead.

What that means is that anything which upsets his holy applecart simply can't be real.

This should be amusing for a few days. What's good is that the article mentioned that a series of papers on the tabet will be released in the next few months.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:43 pm

Nothing about prophecy though. Arch gets that part. The prophecies may be mis-translations or written after the fact but he knows all of them.

He probably thinks Tyre was never rebuilt....even though it is still there today.

rich · Post by **rich** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:48 pm

You mean he really didn't say "it's a prophecy instead"? Dang. Tell him he let me down. But ask him if he did shit a brick too -

He's not a - - - priest - is he? Or a deacon or whatever?

Ishtar · Post by **Ishtar** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:14 pm

Forum Monk wrote:
Not to nitpick there KB, but that's three and a half years, not days. Daniel related prophetical time in a day=year formula; 1 week = 7 years. One need only look at the famous 70 weeks of years prophecy to understand this. This is the prophecy which foretold the number of years between the decree of Cyrus to the rebuilding of Jerusalem's wall until the coming of the Messiah. And it mysteriously omits one week (7 years) which is said to be a future 7 year period in Jewish history during which...

Monk! Talk about mental gymastics and making the numbers fit the theory!!!!

Just what you complain about with the Vedics! But it's OK with you when the JCs do it?

rich · Post by **rich** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:20 pm

Well, we should at least be constant and follow the form of one day being equal to a thousand years -

So the start of the third day would be right about - - - - WOW - maybe 2012?

ouch - I know - I know - couldn't help it. The devil made me do it!

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:31 am

Ishtar wrote: Monk! Talk about mental gymastics and making the numbers fit the theory!!!!

Just what you complain about with the Vedics! But it's OK with you when the JCs do it?

You're just too quick for me Ishtar. I knew this wouldn't slip by you.

Guess I've been interpreting ancient texts most of my life.

Ishtar · Post by **Ishtar** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:32 am

Forum Monk wrote:
Ishtar wrote: I knew this wouldn't slip by you.

Right on, slippery boy!

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:33 am

I stand corrected FM
That one was about the length of his ministry, not of his death.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:39 am

Min,
You keep bringing up the "direct Roman rule" argument.
And you are correct.
But the Herods would not have been ruling with out the backing of the Romans.
And they were collecting some pretty stiff taxs to pay their Roman backers.
To the man on the street in Jerusalem the Herods equaled Romans.