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Post by **Minimalist** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:49 pm

Not easy to do.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:12 pm

Not easy to do.

...yeah, Pat's got the same situation. His site is way out in the desert, yet it used to be very plush.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:27 pm

Another hand ax...yawn...

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20471.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20472.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20473.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20474.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:30 pm

Another hand ax...

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20475.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20476.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20477.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:36 pm

Consolidation of hand axes posted today:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20467.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 10.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20468.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 10.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20469.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 10.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20470.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal View- 10.75"- Lima-Igl

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http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20471.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20472.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20473.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20474.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal View- 6.75"- Lima-Igl

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http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20475.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20476.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20477.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 5.25"- Lima-Igl

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:22 am

http://exn.ca/hominids/handaxehill.cfm

We started to look around and survey the general area, and there were more and more and more of these artefacts. In fact, one side of the hill was a fairly sharp cliff and all the way down the cliff, you could see it was like a cascade, like a waterfall of these hand axes that were being eroded out of the hill, cascading down the side of the cliff."

An article on hand axes in Africa. Interesting but since the article is from
'99 the video is no longer available.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:31 am

Who would live next to river that is dry for 11 months out of the year?

Our ancestors were not stupid, you know!

Min, your state was quite forested during the late Pleistocene:

http://biology.usgs.gov/luhna/chap9.html

The area where I search near Calico received about 30 inches of annual rainfall during the late Pleistocene due to cold Sierra glacial air meeting Pacific moist air overhead. When the glaciers withdrew the climate adjusted to about 5 inches of annual rainfall. No more forests, no more lake, the river went dry and game disappeared. A virtual paradise was turned into hell.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:47 am

The area up near Flagstaff is heavily forested now.

Down here in the Valley things are a tad different but we do have the remains of several rivers.

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:55 am

Even your state's famous crater was a lake:

http://www.barringercrater.com/science/

Here's something on the North American woodlands during the last Pleistocene:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/exc ... 136220.pdf

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:26 pm

The area up near Flagstaff is heavily forested now.

Down here in the Valley things are a tad different but we do have the remains of several rivers.

Hey Min.

Here's what looks like a classic example of a point bar (highlighted light blue), and corresponding cut bank (highlighted red), just northwest of Tucson:

I'll bet you a dollar you'll find something out on that point bar, and, if you can get across the creek/ river, the cut bank probably has stuff sticking out of it.

What's happening in this situation is the river is cutting down into an old alluvium (dissecting), most likely Pleistocene age.

Not that I'm trying to tempt you, or anything...

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:39 pm

Here's an ax, just on the verge of being impossible to substantiate:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20478.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax-9.75"- Ventral View- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20479.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax-9.75"- Dorsal View- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20480.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax-9.75"- Distal View- Lima-Igl

This piece illustrates how calcium fills the knapped portions, gradually, making it next to impossible to differentiate between geofact and artifact. I'll post one here in a bit that's over that line, in my opinion.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:36 pm

Artifact or geofact?

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20481.jpg

11.75"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20482.jpg

11.75"- Lima-Igl- Another View

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20483.jpg

11.75"- Lima-Igl- Another View

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:20 pm

Not that I'm trying to tempt you, or anything...

Good....cause Tucson is a hell of a long way away.

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:42 pm

Artifact or geofact?

found very locally to me

i picked this up and to me it appears as if someone has shaped it to look like a semi human figure
see the eyes on the upper lobe and the smooth rounded finish like it was hand polished ?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:49 pm

i picked this up and to me it appears as if someone has shaped it to look like a semi human figure
see the eyes on the upper lobe and the smooth rounded finish like it was hand polished ?

Have you got a magnifying glass? Maybe you can find some signs of working...

If you can detect signs of abrasion, lining up directionally, you may have something. It's hard to say anything from the photo you've got posted. That color's a pain in the butt to bring out detail. It's hard to bring out detail in the lighter color ranges.

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