Bosnian pyramids, Part II, no photos please!

[Katherine Reece]

Regards to all,
Anonymous[/i]

Funny how I'm been called a coward here by some and yet someone who posts something like this anonymously is held up as bravely speaking the truth.

And I refuse to be held responsible for somthing that happened in 1616.

As for the rest of your post it would be nice to know who you are quoting from. However we had a discussion here in the past concerning the c14 dating on the GP rather than derail this thread I refer you to that discussion.

[Katherine Reece]

Well, advanced mathemathics of Lepenski Vir architecture is common knowledge in archeology. If you are archeologist, I'm very suprised that you never heard of it. That only means that you need to fullfill few holes in your knowledge. I'm not sarcastic. Advanced mathematics Of Lepenski Vir is really common knowledge. Contact any of your colleagues in Serbia or in Europe, who are experts for that period.

I haven't seen this person's previous postings so I'm not sure if Rene stated this someone but most archaeologists specialize in a particular area. So unless Rene's area of specialization is European it wouldn't be surprising for there to be a gap in knowledge. An Andeanist for example wouldn't be expected to know everything about prehistoric Briton.

As for Vinca Script, I suggest you to read the book "Vinca Script" written by famous serbian paleolinguist Radivoje Pesic.

Thank you for this reference ... I can't find it at any of the online stores I use and the site you reference doesn't list the ISBN (that I saw anyway) can you provide the ISBN?

Also, it is a fact that some civilization have built pyramids in Greece. Although much smaller in size than egyptian pyramids, Greek pyramids predate (around 3000 BC) pyramids in Egypt.

According to this site (http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf116/sf116p01.htm) the earliest pyramid found dates to 2730 BC which would make it in the same time frame as the step pyramid of Djoser.

As we know, official history tells us that ancient Greeks inhabited Balkan Peninsula around 1500 BC. So who, or which culture have built Greek pyramids 1500 years earlier?

I don't think your dating is correct here. Ancient Greece is not an area I've been interested in personally so I turned to a reference source ....

From here: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_174 ... reece.html

"People probably first entered the Greek heartland about 50,000 years ago in the Stone Age. They wandered in from southwest Asia and from Africa, hunting herds of game animals. About 10,000 years ago, people in the Middle East began farming the land, and knowledge of this new technology slowly spread with migrants into ancient Greece. By 7000 bc, increasing numbers of people were migrating from Asia Minor to start new farming communities in the Greek heartland, eventually establishing large settlements on the Balkan Peninsula, the Aegean Islands, and the large island of Crete. These Stone Age peoples made their tools and weapons from stone, bone, leather, and wood. Their technological skills greatly accelerated around 3000 bc when they learned from Middle Eastern peoples how to work with metals and use the wheel for transport. The period from about 3000 to 1200 bc is known as the Greek Bronze Age because bronze, a mixture of copper and tin, was the most commonly used metal."

[Minimalist]

The unsolved problem of how the 2,300,000 very heavy blocks were transported to the building site of the pyramid is even more mystifying

Zagor, feel free to join us in the "Giza" thread where we have been twisting our hair trying to figure out the truth behind just such things.

[stellarchaser]

Well, advanced mathemathics of Lepenski Vir architecture is common knowledge in archeology. If you are archeologist, I'm very suprised that you never heard of it. That only means that you need to fullfill few holes in your knowledge. I'm not sarcastic. Advanced mathematics Of Lepenski Vir is really common knowledge. Contact any of your colleagues in Serbia or in Europe, who are experts for that period.

I haven't seen this person's previous postings so I'm not sure if Rene stated this someone but most archaeologists specialize in a particular area. So unless Rene's area of specialization is European it wouldn't be surprising for there to be a gap in knowledge. An Andeanist for example wouldn't be expected to know everything about prehistoric Briton.

As for Vinca Script, I suggest you to read the book "Vinca Script" written by famous serbian paleolinguist Radivoje Pesic.

Thank you for this reference ... I can't find it at any of the online stores I use and the site you reference doesn't list the ISBN (that I saw anyway) can you provide the ISBN?

Also, it is a fact that some civilization have built pyramids in Greece. Although much smaller in size than egyptian pyramids, Greek pyramids predate (around 3000 BC) pyramids in Egypt.

According to this site (http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf116/sf116p01.htm) the earliest pyramid found dates to 2730 BC which would make it in the same time frame as the step pyramid of Djoser.

As we know, official history tells us that ancient Greeks inhabited Balkan Peninsula around 1500 BC. So who, or which culture have built Greek pyramids 1500 years earlier?

I don't think your dating is correct here. Ancient Greece is not an area I've been interested in personally so I turned to a reference source ....

From here: http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_174 ... reece.html

"People probably first entered the Greek heartland about 50,000 years ago in the Stone Age. They wandered in from southwest Asia and from Africa, hunting herds of game animals. About 10,000 years ago, people in the Middle East began farming the land, and knowledge of this new technology slowly spread with migrants into ancient Greece. By 7000 bc, increasing numbers of people were migrating from Asia Minor to start new farming communities in the Greek heartland, eventually establishing large settlements on the Balkan Peninsula, the Aegean Islands, and the large island of Crete. These Stone Age peoples made their tools and weapons from stone, bone, leather, and wood. Their technological skills greatly accelerated around 3000 bc when they learned from Middle Eastern peoples how to work with metals and use the wheel for transport. The period from about 3000 to 1200 bc is known as the Greek Bronze Age because bronze, a mixture of copper and tin, was the most commonly used metal."

I haven't seen this person's previous postings so I'm not sure if Rene stated this someone but most archaeologists specialize in a particular area. So unless Rene's area of specialization is European it wouldn't be surprising for there to be a gap in knowledge. An Andeanist for example wouldn't be expected to know everything about prehistoric Briton.

Then I apologize. I thought that proffessional archeologists are getting news and updates as any other scientists through magazines, seminars of archeology conferences.

According to this site (http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf116/sf116p01.htm) the earliest pyramid found dates to 2730 BC which would make it in the same time frame as the step pyramid of Djoser.

That might be true. I read that they predates Djoser for few hundred years. Yet I guess that eny dating method has + or + evaluation (in years), so you might be right there.

As we know, official history tells us that ancient Greeks inhabited Balkan Peninsula around 1500 BC. So who, or which culture have built Greek pyramids 1500 years earlier?

I don't think your dating is correct here. Ancient Greece is not an area I've been interested in personally so I turned to a reference source ....

I know that Greece was inhabited prior to 1500 BC. What I wanted to say that around 1500 we see first traces of Greek or Hellenic influences on the Balkans. As far I know, history books say that ancient Greek tribes came to Balkan peninsula around 1500 BC from Asia Minor. In that context, I was wondering which culture (if it is not Greek) is responsible for Greek pyramids. If they are not ancient Greeks, and I think we do not have proof for that, than we allready have unknown culture responsible for pyramid building on Balkan peninsula.

Thank you for this reference ... I can't find it at any of the online stores I use and the site you reference doesn't list the ISBN (that I saw anyway) can you provide the ISBN?

I'll definitely try to find it for you. If you want to see how this script looks like, please visit:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm

[Katherine Reece]

I thought that proffessional archeologists are getting news and updates as any other scientists through magazines, seminars of archeology conferences.

They do ... but generally in the area of their specialization.

than we allready have unknown culture responsible for pyramid building on Balkan peninsula.

I don't know how you can say its an unknown culture... its obviously well known by the reference I quoted above.

[Guest]

This might explain why the so-called archaeological "club" is against this dig:
http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Tr ... ml/143.htm

[stellarchaser]

I thought that proffessional archeologists are getting news and updates as any other scientists through magazines, seminars of archeology conferences.

They do ... but generally in the area of their specialization.

than we allready have unknown culture responsible for pyramid building on Balkan peninsula.

I don't know how you can say its an unknown culture... its obviously well known by the reference I quoted above.

I don't know how you can say its an unknown culture... its obviously well known by the reference I quoted above.

That is news for me. Greek tribes came around 1500 BC. Or you want to say that ancient Greeks have built the pyramids?

[stellarchaser]

This might explain why the so-called archaeological "club" is against this dig:
http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Tr ... ml/143.htm

The club doesn't have to worry.

Bosnian goverment respects all signed conventions. Including this one.

I don't know what you want to say. If you reffer to alleged "destruction" of protected area of Old Town Visoki, than you are on wrong track. Excavations won't get even near protected zone. We know how to obey the laws, our domestic and international ones. I hope this will clear you bit situation on the ground.

I would like to see though the Club expressing their deepest concerns regading destruction of world heritage in Iraq, where, as we have learned in school, first civilization on earth appeared.

[Guest]

I posted it in reply to the several outbreaks of testosterone that led to other members being told to keep their noses out of what's happening in Bosnia. That link makes it clear that the European archaeological community has a right to be concerned. Article 3 (I think?) makes it clear that signatories must ensure that digs are carried out CORRECTLY, ie in line with recognised practice/procedures. We have seen NO evidence so far that this is even happening in Visoko.

I would like to see though the Club expressing their deepest concerns regading destruction of world heritage in Iraq, where, as we have learned in school, first civilization on earth appeared.

They have; read the BBC website a bit more often.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 799123.stm

[stellarchaser]

I posted it in reply to the several outbreaks of testosterone that led to other members being told to keep their noses out of what's happening in Bosnia. That link makes it clear that the European archaeological community has a right to be concerned. Article 3 (I think?) makes it clear that signatories must ensure that digs are carried out CORRECTLY, ie in line with recognised practice/procedures. We have seen NO evidence so far that this is even happening in Visoko.

I would like to see though the Club expressing their deepest concerns regading destruction of world heritage in Iraq, where, as we have learned in school, first civilization on earth appeared.

They have; read the BBC website a bit more often.

Nobody says you to keep nose out of Bosnia, we are very warm and hospitable people. If anyone wants to come here for a holiday or visit to Visoko, I'm offering my flat for staying.

As for practice in Visoko, you have to address people from Visoko Musem. I doubt that you will find it on this thread.

Tell me RK, can you tell me please, when Greek tribes inhabited Balkan peninsula, or better, when we see first signs of Greek or Hellenic culture in the Balkans?

[Guest]

Stellar, I've seen others in this forum told at least twice that what is happening in Bosnia is none of their business.
Sorry, can't help with the Greeks, not really my area.

[stellarchaser]

Stellar, I've seen others in this forum told at least twice that what is happening in Bosnia is none of their business.
Sorry, can't help with the Greeks, not really my area.

I can't be responsible for others.

Thanks RK.

[Guest]

okay, i will repost my questions as i want some answers from those stalwarts who support this dig. it is quite clear that these supporters say either believe us or get out but we will not provide any proof except Os' word:

some questions that need to be answered: is this the top, middle or the bottom edge?
where is the rest of the pyramid?
why is the ground looking like a normal mountian and not a wall?
where is the baseline for the other sides of the pyramids if this is the bottom?
where are the other angles if this is the top?
where is the peak?
if this is the middle of the pyramid where is the rest of the angle

another question i have is, why is not Os or some other 'archaeologist' working on the site, quoting, displaying ancient or medevel documents that cite, allude to, or even mention that there is a far older structure beneath their own?

where is the ancient record that mentions the existence of a pyramid? all we are given is Os says so or Os declars this is it. the photos have proven nothing execept sub-standard materials were used or that Os has stumbled upon the roman or ancient bosnian capital. given that last set of pictures of a stick over a mound of dirt, that just makes me laugh,

the dirt is still covering the 'stone blocks' and they still declare it is a 'perfect angle'. if you want to be taken seriously, if you want the professional community to take this dig seriously then dig it up BEFORE drawing any conclusions. provide some ancient written documentation supporting this quest but don't say--'Os says so'

[Katherine Reece]

Tell me RK, can you tell me please, when Greek tribes inhabited Balkan peninsula, or better, when we see first signs of Greek or Hellenic culture in the Balkans?

http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/02/mainland/e ... index.html

[stellarchaser]

Tell me RK, can you tell me please, when Greek tribes inhabited Balkan peninsula, or better, when we see first signs of Greek or Hellenic culture in the Balkans?

http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/02/mainland/e ... index.html

Thank you Katherine. But if Greek tribes have been on Balkan peninsula at least from 3000 BC, than I asume that their arrival here around 1500 BC is wrong hypothesis. We have learned that in school, that Greek tribes came to balkans around 1500 BC from Asia Minor.