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Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:55 pm

Good....cause Tucson is a hell of a long way away.

Not to worry...

I can find some promising ground, close to you...

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:02 pm

Have you got a magnifying glass? Maybe you can find some signs of working

no signs of working but the material is very soft anyway

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:10 pm

no signs of working but the material is very soft anyway

Yeah, who knows?

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:24 pm

Nice fish btw

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:34 pm

Yeah, she was quite the fight. She wasn't wasted...yummmm.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Another "cuboid" style ax:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20484.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 9.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20485.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 9.25"- Lima-Igl

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20486.jpg

Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 9.25"- Lima-Igl

These cuboid pieces trip me out. I can't find a match, but they're being found in the same context as the "ovate" pieces.

stan · Post by **stan** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:49 pm

Marduk, that's a potato!!

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:58 pm

Marduk, that's a potato!!

LMAO!! Mar...f**ker!!

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:00 pm

Here are four hand axes and a drill. They are larger than most, but all show evidence of knapping and the dark one on the left looks more like a big frikken dagger.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:04 pm

Here are four hand axes and a drill. They are larger than most, but all show evidence of knapping and the dark one on the left looks more like a big frikken dagger.

Sweet!! Man...very nice.

I see your getting good with the new camera...

Nice shots and pieces, Bro.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:12 pm

Charlie, Cogs, I gather that you guys are not holding out for some sort of Knappers WalMart where these tools are made and stored for shipment to distribution centers across North America?

Thus, here is my question to you. Aside from these are you also finding pieces which have obviously been used and worn down? Is there actual evidence of use on the business end of these tools?

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:31 pm

Charlie, Cogs, I gather that you guys are not holding out for some sort of Knappers WalMart where these tools are made and stored for shipment to distribution centers across North America?

Thus, here is my question to you. Aside from these are you also finding pieces which have obviously been used and worn down? Is there actual evidence of use on the business end of these tools?

The answer is yes. Some tools have points that were broken, etc. and were discarded. Others were broken, re-knapped, used and thrown away. I do have a small scraper/knife made of petrified palm root (Mohs hardness 7.0) that is worn glass-smooth on the underside from use. One hand axe I sent Charlie has an obvious stress-impact on the point ... ie it hit something really hard. So on and so forth.

To tell the truth, I don't bother much with broken specimens since the well-formed and unbroken ones look nicer (yes, I'm jaded). I'm not too interested in picking up the smaller tools since they tend to be one or two flakes and could arguably be made by nature. On a separate topic, I'm beginning to wonder if I have a couple of bones in my collection.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:41 pm

Thus, here is my question to you. Aside from these are you also finding pieces which have obviously been used and worn down? Is there actual evidence of use on the business end of these tools?

Bischoff (USGS) and Sharp (Berkeley) attest the authenticity of the pieces I've provided them for analyses. Not sure if you could get more critical eyes.
Carbonate coats don't happen overnight.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:43 pm

Thanks, Cogs.

I guess I'm thinking along the lines of....even if nature could produce a hand axe how likely is it that nature could just use the working edge? It would seem that natural processes would effect the whole stone, if you see what I'm getting at?

The garbage may not look good but archaeologists finds lots of good stuff in garbage pits.

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:55 pm

It's not a question of authenticity, Charlie. It's a question of whether or not these pieces show signs of use on the sharpened edge.

I have this vision of primitive man making a tool and using it until it is no longer fit for service and then making another one. Inventory management is an Industrial Revolution concept!

Archaeologica.org

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