http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6979596.stm
Global warming.
Moderators: MichelleH, Minimalist, JPeters
Two things standout in the story to me:
"It is absolutely not the BBC's job to save the planet," warned Newsnight editor Peter Barron at the Edinburgh Festival last month.
However, executives associated with Planet Relief, developed under the aegis of BBC Comedy, said the aim was not to campaign but to "raise consciousness" about the science of climate change, and to offer them the opportunity to take part in a mass temporary "switch-off" of electrical equipment
First; they had it produced in the right department.
Second; senior management nixed it because it wasn’t presented as a comedy.
"It is absolutely not the BBC's job to save the planet," warned Newsnight editor Peter Barron at the Edinburgh Festival last month.
However, executives associated with Planet Relief, developed under the aegis of BBC Comedy, said the aim was not to campaign but to "raise consciousness" about the science of climate change, and to offer them the opportunity to take part in a mass temporary "switch-off" of electrical equipment
First; they had it produced in the right department.
Second; senior management nixed it because it wasn’t presented as a comedy.
If you're not UK resident KB you won't be aware that the BBC has recently come under sustained fire for having its own agenda as opposed to reporting news.
No one with anti EU ideas gets a word in, nor anyone not accepting the green religion, and they have also been accused of political and racial bias, plus an anti Israel agenda.
Much has been so obvious that the bosses should have seen it coming.
No one with anti EU ideas gets a word in, nor anyone not accepting the green religion, and they have also been accused of political and racial bias, plus an anti Israel agenda.
Much has been so obvious that the bosses should have seen it coming.
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
One of the BBC clips I've seen is of a reporter, standing in a high rise, with the smoke of 911 behind her in the distance, talking about the collapse of WTC 7. Only problem is, you can see the profile of that building behind her, still standing. The clock on the video shows that she knows the building is going to fall 20 minutes before it came down.
The BBC has tried to hush the whole thing up, and removed the clip from their video library, but it still circulates on the net. They *know* they are lying. That does not mean that they know what the truth is. But it does explain why there are those who dont believe them about Iraq either.
I personally witnessed one event the media lied about. I was at a demonstration against the Vietnam war at the federal courthouse in Tampa. We watched the evening news because we saw the TV cameras there, If the footage is still around, you'll see me there.
The voice over said that 70 people demonstrated against the war at the federal courthouse. But- they never turned the camera away to show the street which was filled for two blocks with all those who would not fit on the courthouse steps, or- within their own mind frame.
It makes you wonder what is really going on out there. I sense the panic behind the scenes; they know- if the global investors get the feeling the media are no longer in control, economic panic will spread uncontrollably.
Archeology exposes lies on a regular basis. I recall an article in Archeology magazine about a Spanish fort they found mapped out in a report in Madrid that they could never find on the Florida coast. But then, in digging around they realized they had found it, but all that was there were the central headquarters and barracks buildings. Despite the map that was sent to Madrid, the fort itself, was never built.
This, in contrast, is so different from the documentation found in the Tocharian ghost towns. There was no central power structure that had to be lied to. Flash floods at Niya and Loulan, at different times, moved the rivers over, and the towns had to be abandoned rapidly. Kinda like Ponmpei or Akrotiri, everything was left without regard to what the future mite make of it.
The BBC has tried to hush the whole thing up, and removed the clip from their video library, but it still circulates on the net. They *know* they are lying. That does not mean that they know what the truth is. But it does explain why there are those who dont believe them about Iraq either.
I personally witnessed one event the media lied about. I was at a demonstration against the Vietnam war at the federal courthouse in Tampa. We watched the evening news because we saw the TV cameras there, If the footage is still around, you'll see me there.
The voice over said that 70 people demonstrated against the war at the federal courthouse. But- they never turned the camera away to show the street which was filled for two blocks with all those who would not fit on the courthouse steps, or- within their own mind frame.
It makes you wonder what is really going on out there. I sense the panic behind the scenes; they know- if the global investors get the feeling the media are no longer in control, economic panic will spread uncontrollably.
Archeology exposes lies on a regular basis. I recall an article in Archeology magazine about a Spanish fort they found mapped out in a report in Madrid that they could never find on the Florida coast. But then, in digging around they realized they had found it, but all that was there were the central headquarters and barracks buildings. Despite the map that was sent to Madrid, the fort itself, was never built.
This, in contrast, is so different from the documentation found in the Tocharian ghost towns. There was no central power structure that had to be lied to. Flash floods at Niya and Loulan, at different times, moved the rivers over, and the towns had to be abandoned rapidly. Kinda like Ponmpei or Akrotiri, everything was left without regard to what the future mite make of it.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
I don't know about BBC, but I remember it very well. Both CNN and Fox were reporting hours before it came down that it had been severely damaged and could not be saved. They reported that the authorities were trying to decide if they should wait and let it fall or take steps to cause it's fall.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the BBC clips I've seen is of a reporter, standing in a high rise, with the smoke of 911 behind her in the distance, talking about the collapse of WTC 7. Only problem is, you can see the profile of that building behind her, still standing. The clock on the video shows that she knows the building is going to fall 20 minutes before it came down.
That was only in regard to WTC 7. WTC 10 wound up the same way iirc.
If you watch the BBC news, (and believe it) Israel slaughters hundreds of Palestinian women and children every week and Gaza is occupied by a group affiliated to the Boy Scouts.
Every time an Israelie fires a gun the BBC lists the death toll and when Hamas does it the BBC moves on to football scores.
They seem to be wrapped in a world of their own creation.
When they lie about one thing why should I believe anything else they say?
Every time an Israelie fires a gun the BBC lists the death toll and when Hamas does it the BBC moves on to football scores.
They seem to be wrapped in a world of their own creation.
When they lie about one thing why should I believe anything else they say?
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
If the DNA was sampled, I think we'd see that the Ashkenazic Jews who run Israel are not, in fact, Semites. The history is obscure, but there was a population in Central Asia, now Turkmenistan that converted to Judaism.
At the time, the area was the cross roads of the Silk Road, and routes that ran from Finland down to the Indus. At the time, the conversion was by that portion of the population that could read, or learn to. Ie, the *merchant* class. And when the Mongols showed up, and even before, they fled into Western Europe. Bringing their monetary skills with them.
Their kin further east, the Tocharians, left us frescos. Those merchants sure look to be what we now think of as "Jewish".
You can tell this to an anti-Semite, and it does not register, any more than the photo of yellow hot steel from the WTC does to a mythbuster. This sort of thing has always plagued archeology, where people just do not see what is in front of them because it in some way offends their sensibilities.
I mean this quite literally; it does not penetrate to the prefrontal lobes. I received an invite to subscribe to "The Real News",but it was just another group with their own biases they thot were not being represented, and they were not interested in input from anyone with ideas that fell outside their mindframes.
Archeology has rediscovered some ancient herbal methods of abortion and birth control. When you mention this in an abortion debate, the silence is just stunning. The last thing the partisans on *both* sides of the issue want to hear is that the legal system and proposed legislation does not matter any more.
I only post because there may yet be some sentient beings out there who will pick up on more of the deceit, such as from the BBC, which formerly was seen as so reliable. The tragedy of 911, is not that the BBC and the American media cant deal with the truth, but that they can not therefore deal with a lot of other truth as well; there is a kind of mass neurotic denial in their perception of what is going on.
Like, would *you* follow a prophet with a 9 year old wife? Well, what does it say about the world when there are a billion people who will? And the BBC tries to pretend they have a "religion"?
At the time, the area was the cross roads of the Silk Road, and routes that ran from Finland down to the Indus. At the time, the conversion was by that portion of the population that could read, or learn to. Ie, the *merchant* class. And when the Mongols showed up, and even before, they fled into Western Europe. Bringing their monetary skills with them.
Their kin further east, the Tocharians, left us frescos. Those merchants sure look to be what we now think of as "Jewish".
You can tell this to an anti-Semite, and it does not register, any more than the photo of yellow hot steel from the WTC does to a mythbuster. This sort of thing has always plagued archeology, where people just do not see what is in front of them because it in some way offends their sensibilities.
I mean this quite literally; it does not penetrate to the prefrontal lobes. I received an invite to subscribe to "The Real News",but it was just another group with their own biases they thot were not being represented, and they were not interested in input from anyone with ideas that fell outside their mindframes.
Archeology has rediscovered some ancient herbal methods of abortion and birth control. When you mention this in an abortion debate, the silence is just stunning. The last thing the partisans on *both* sides of the issue want to hear is that the legal system and proposed legislation does not matter any more.
I only post because there may yet be some sentient beings out there who will pick up on more of the deceit, such as from the BBC, which formerly was seen as so reliable. The tragedy of 911, is not that the BBC and the American media cant deal with the truth, but that they can not therefore deal with a lot of other truth as well; there is a kind of mass neurotic denial in their perception of what is going on.
Like, would *you* follow a prophet with a 9 year old wife? Well, what does it say about the world when there are a billion people who will? And the BBC tries to pretend they have a "religion"?
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
Not only the BBC DB but the entire political elite of this country, they appear to have a complex about their being English. They have even tried their damndest to prevent us flying our national as as being 'racist'!
I am Ashkenasi, I am not semitic, tradition amongst us is as you have quoted, with the addition that we were hired by Muscovy for our fighting prowess, then we spread across the Russian empire and from there into Europe.
The rest is history!
I am Ashkenasi, I am not semitic, tradition amongst us is as you have quoted, with the addition that we were hired by Muscovy for our fighting prowess, then we spread across the Russian empire and from there into Europe.
The rest is history!
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
I didnt know that part about the Ashkenasi, but we all are mixed bags. Even the Brits. I dont get my panties in a wad over them going to Israel either. Anyone thinks Palestine was a nice place before the "Jews" came back is delusional. Without the Jews, it'd be just like Lebanon & Gaza.
Course, what else would you expect of a buncha mysogenistic jackasses who followed a prophet with a 9 year old wife, and then actually believed his promise that they get to spend eternity fucking 12 year old virgins? I mean, Hello? That the "Liberals" can defend this bullshit is a remarkable example of cognitive dissonnance.
I have often pointed out to anti-Semites (to deafening silence) that since the "Jews" in Europe never ran city hall, that their women were occassionally raped by the power elite. Who, whatever their sins, were not stupid. Moreover, whenever they saw an attractive airhead in the Jewish community, they snatched them to add to their harems.
The only women who stayed in the Jewish community were those who were too ugly, or smart enuf to stay out of sight. Iterate this thru a thousand years, and you end up with a pretty smart class of people.
Conversely, if you took a buncha white folks away in chains, put them to work in the fields in a foreign land, the smart ones would figure out there was no future in it, and run away. If caught, they are murdered, if not, they are free, but either way, they are out of the slave class gene pool.
And if you run this for system for a dozen generations, you'd end up with a class of pretty stupid field hands that were easy to manipulate. Course, if I point out that this works with Blacks too, they call me racist.
In like manner, Trajan didnt haul all the Jews to Rome, just the aristocracy. Which he replaced with Roman landowners, who wanted the slave class on the land. When word got around the Jesus would reward them in heaven, they were agreeable; they didnt havta do that on earth any more.
then, after the Romans, the Byzantines, then the satraps, the Ottomans, & finally, the Brits. Never in the whole 2000 years since Trajan hauled off the manager class, has the indigeneous population actually run the place. They still dunno how to do it.
Every time, the manager class let the slave class practice whatever their religion was. Altho, exchanging the harp & halo from Jesus for the Holy Whorehouse of Mohammet was a nobrainer. But now, these jackasses, who've always used violence to spread their religion as they do now in Sudan, are trying to expand into Europe & America with WMDs, and using the oil money to fund their propaganda machine, and something needs to be done.
But putting Christian fundies in power is like fighting fire with fire and just getting more fire. The secular transnationals risk having their whole system taken over by fanatics. Their media has yet to figure that out. Thus the BBC panders to religions.
Course, what else would you expect of a buncha mysogenistic jackasses who followed a prophet with a 9 year old wife, and then actually believed his promise that they get to spend eternity fucking 12 year old virgins? I mean, Hello? That the "Liberals" can defend this bullshit is a remarkable example of cognitive dissonnance.
I have often pointed out to anti-Semites (to deafening silence) that since the "Jews" in Europe never ran city hall, that their women were occassionally raped by the power elite. Who, whatever their sins, were not stupid. Moreover, whenever they saw an attractive airhead in the Jewish community, they snatched them to add to their harems.
The only women who stayed in the Jewish community were those who were too ugly, or smart enuf to stay out of sight. Iterate this thru a thousand years, and you end up with a pretty smart class of people.
Conversely, if you took a buncha white folks away in chains, put them to work in the fields in a foreign land, the smart ones would figure out there was no future in it, and run away. If caught, they are murdered, if not, they are free, but either way, they are out of the slave class gene pool.
And if you run this for system for a dozen generations, you'd end up with a class of pretty stupid field hands that were easy to manipulate. Course, if I point out that this works with Blacks too, they call me racist.
In like manner, Trajan didnt haul all the Jews to Rome, just the aristocracy. Which he replaced with Roman landowners, who wanted the slave class on the land. When word got around the Jesus would reward them in heaven, they were agreeable; they didnt havta do that on earth any more.
then, after the Romans, the Byzantines, then the satraps, the Ottomans, & finally, the Brits. Never in the whole 2000 years since Trajan hauled off the manager class, has the indigeneous population actually run the place. They still dunno how to do it.
Every time, the manager class let the slave class practice whatever their religion was. Altho, exchanging the harp & halo from Jesus for the Holy Whorehouse of Mohammet was a nobrainer. But now, these jackasses, who've always used violence to spread their religion as they do now in Sudan, are trying to expand into Europe & America with WMDs, and using the oil money to fund their propaganda machine, and something needs to be done.
But putting Christian fundies in power is like fighting fire with fire and just getting more fire. The secular transnationals risk having their whole system taken over by fanatics. Their media has yet to figure that out. Thus the BBC panders to religions.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
You're beginning to sound like a re-run of some arguments I've made in the past DB, with much the same results I might add. One point I must correct you on though, the Jews never left Palestine.
In addition, Palestine has never existed!
In addition, Palestine has never existed!
First people deny a thing, then they belittle it, then they say it was known all along! Von Humboldt
Digit, I dont argue with fools. I put ideas and links I've come across out there for the benefit of whatever other sentient beings mite stumble across them to make such use as they may. I have no hope of changing anyone's mind.
reading the work done on group think disabused me of that attempt. Having already read the Stoics like Epictetus prepared me for it. The fact that the Christians built monumental churches for emotional impact, while the Stoics built schools, shows how much good education will do.
Most hominids, then, or now, are just not that rational. From an evolutionary standpoint we can see how the power elites promoted the breeding of canon fodder as tools to promote their own egotistical agendas. They did not *want* rational populations. And we dont have that now.
If neurotics get bent from what I have to say, that dont get my panties in a wad. As Epictetus said, you dont give another the power to elict an emotional response in you. Its not rational.
It is the matriarchies that had the most rational populations. They always tried to stay within sustainable levels of local consumption, and always underestimated the size of the mysogenistic hordes that over ran them. But it was such a diffuse process, that went on so long, and there were so many tribes run by warlords, I cant fault them for the oversight.
Whether women are rational enuf now to get it is a moot point.
reading the work done on group think disabused me of that attempt. Having already read the Stoics like Epictetus prepared me for it. The fact that the Christians built monumental churches for emotional impact, while the Stoics built schools, shows how much good education will do.
Most hominids, then, or now, are just not that rational. From an evolutionary standpoint we can see how the power elites promoted the breeding of canon fodder as tools to promote their own egotistical agendas. They did not *want* rational populations. And we dont have that now.
If neurotics get bent from what I have to say, that dont get my panties in a wad. As Epictetus said, you dont give another the power to elict an emotional response in you. Its not rational.
It is the matriarchies that had the most rational populations. They always tried to stay within sustainable levels of local consumption, and always underestimated the size of the mysogenistic hordes that over ran them. But it was such a diffuse process, that went on so long, and there were so many tribes run by warlords, I cant fault them for the oversight.
Whether women are rational enuf now to get it is a moot point.
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.
Not at all Digit. I am beyond the reach of fanatics. In the same kind of steep wooded hill country shown in "Deliverance". They have friends to help them move, I have friends to help me, if need be, move... bodies. And we know where to put them. These hills are littered with unmapped caves. I even found a piece of pipestone in one once.
People been hiding out here a damn long time. I also have property beyond the grid. The telephone company dont know where it is. The electric company dont know where it is, and the last sheriff that went there lost his job.
Then there is just the empowerment. I have read the words of Buddha, Plato, Aristotle, Confucius, Lao Tzu, & Epictetus. How then could I not benefit more than each of them, and what would they all give for the opportunity to read what all the others had to say? And then, I bring their insights to bear on Freud, Jung, Milgram, Zimbardo, Bouchard, & recent work on DNA & group think.
I read Ayn Rand when I was young, and became an enthusiastic supporter of Goldwater. I therefore also read what he had to say in the back pages, and thot about the way the mass media spun it on TV. When I tell a Bush supporter, or a devotee of the 911 report about this, they find my statements about the distortion of the liberal media entirely credible. And they seem to understand how group think evolved to support LBJ.
Yet, when I point out that the very same thing was done for Bush, it falls on deaf ears. "When a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." It does not take bravery to understand the truth, just the freedom to live in such a way that your opinions dont affect your income. I could fix vehicles and rebuild engines, so nobody cared what I thot. For the same reason, I've been telling people to ask a welder about this photo:
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/molten_steel.jpg
I get back several responses, but none of them has actually dared to ask a welder. Too much cognitive dissonnance.
More to the point really, is to understand how wide spread this mass delusion is, and what the near or long term effect of that mite be. If you see how others are deluded, you can profit by it. This is where the 911 truthers are fuckin up. Course, many of them are delusional as well, and just happen to be correct that the official 911 report is bullshit. That does not mean that they know the truth.
911 is not the only lie, there are many others they've bought into. Thats the neat thing bout the ancient sages that it drags your mind out of being immersed in the group think that goes on in our time. You come to a greater understanding of yourself, and with that, as Sun Tsu said, you can understand your enemy. And when you do that, bravery is not an issue.
Like the Minoans, who made really fine daggers and what we mite call "Bowie Knives" that they traded with barbarians. These blades are of no use in a pitched battle, but get pulled in tribal disagreements all the time, so that by providing the warriors with knives, you empower them to cut *each* other up. So you dont have to later. <snurk>
People been hiding out here a damn long time. I also have property beyond the grid. The telephone company dont know where it is. The electric company dont know where it is, and the last sheriff that went there lost his job.
Then there is just the empowerment. I have read the words of Buddha, Plato, Aristotle, Confucius, Lao Tzu, & Epictetus. How then could I not benefit more than each of them, and what would they all give for the opportunity to read what all the others had to say? And then, I bring their insights to bear on Freud, Jung, Milgram, Zimbardo, Bouchard, & recent work on DNA & group think.
I read Ayn Rand when I was young, and became an enthusiastic supporter of Goldwater. I therefore also read what he had to say in the back pages, and thot about the way the mass media spun it on TV. When I tell a Bush supporter, or a devotee of the 911 report about this, they find my statements about the distortion of the liberal media entirely credible. And they seem to understand how group think evolved to support LBJ.
Yet, when I point out that the very same thing was done for Bush, it falls on deaf ears. "When a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." It does not take bravery to understand the truth, just the freedom to live in such a way that your opinions dont affect your income. I could fix vehicles and rebuild engines, so nobody cared what I thot. For the same reason, I've been telling people to ask a welder about this photo:
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/molten_steel.jpg
I get back several responses, but none of them has actually dared to ask a welder. Too much cognitive dissonnance.
More to the point really, is to understand how wide spread this mass delusion is, and what the near or long term effect of that mite be. If you see how others are deluded, you can profit by it. This is where the 911 truthers are fuckin up. Course, many of them are delusional as well, and just happen to be correct that the official 911 report is bullshit. That does not mean that they know the truth.
911 is not the only lie, there are many others they've bought into. Thats the neat thing bout the ancient sages that it drags your mind out of being immersed in the group think that goes on in our time. You come to a greater understanding of yourself, and with that, as Sun Tsu said, you can understand your enemy. And when you do that, bravery is not an issue.
Like the Minoans, who made really fine daggers and what we mite call "Bowie Knives" that they traded with barbarians. These blades are of no use in a pitched battle, but get pulled in tribal disagreements all the time, so that by providing the warriors with knives, you empower them to cut *each* other up. So you dont have to later. <snurk>
Any god watching me hasta be bored, and needs to get a life.