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Kalopin wrote:Thanks, that's one of my favorites! :-]
[...and then, go through and look at the crazy b.s. they discuss on "alternate history"!]
[...maybe they were too scared?]
I enjoyed the laugh though, knowing the amount of their stupidity. I have received similar reception on a few others...
why, do you think it makes this research look any less legit?
Then I suppose that's how crazy the truth is?circumspice wrote:Kalopin wrote:Thanks, that's one of my favorites! :-]
[...and then, go through and look at the crazy b.s. they discuss on "alternate history"!]
[...maybe they were too scared?]
I enjoyed the laugh though, knowing the amount of their stupidity. I have received similar reception on a few others...
why, do you think it makes this research look any less legit?
Yup. That forum thread seems to show that even the crazies think you're crazy.
I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you...Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood?
Are you trying to say that everyone's too stupid?, [...or maybe just too low of an I.Q. to be able to process this information? Do you think teaching the truth- that it was a meteor impact, not an earthquake, would just be too much for people to comprehend?...:-]circumspice wrote:I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you...Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood?
http://www.memphis.edu/ceri/compendium/eyewitness.php"...The extent of the area that experienced damaging earth motion is estimated to be 600,000 square kilometers. However, shaking strong enough to alarm the general population occurred over an area of 2.5 million square kilometers.
At the onset of the earthquake, the ground rose and fell - bending the trees until their branches intertwined and opening deep cracks in the ground. Landslides swept down the steeper bluffs and hillslides; large areas of land were uplifted; and still larger areas sank and were covered with water that emerged through fissures or craterlets. Huge waves on the Mississippi River overwhelmed many boats and washed others high on the shore. High banks caved and collapsed into the river; sand bars and points of islands gave way; whole islands disappeared. Surface rupturing did not occur, however. The region most seriously affected was characterized by raised or sunken lands, fissures, sinks, sand blows, and large landslides that covered an area of 78,000 - 129,000 square kilometers, extending from Cairo, Illinois, to Memphis, Tennessee, and from Crowleys Ridge to Chickasaw Bluffs, Tennessee..."
http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/hough/mitchill.html"...Here you will find listings of over 600 references that are related to the New Madrid earthquake of 1811-1812.
These references include newspaper articles, scientific articles, folklore, maps, and eyewitness accounts, such as the one below:
Eyewitness Account
This account of the New Madrid Earthquake was recorded by George Heinrich Crist, residing at the time in the north-central Kentucky county of Nelson, near the present location of Louisville.
The Science of New Madrid
For scientific information on these events, the article described in "The Enigma of the New Madrid Earthquakes" by Arch Johnston and Buddy Schweig, is available for download in PDF format. This article was published in the Annual Review of Earth Planet Science in 1996..."
http://failuremag.com/feature/article/no_great_shakes/"...The beautiful comet which travelled through the northern celestial hemisphere during 1811, had offered itself plainly to view until the approach of the following year..."
"...The tremendous storm from the northeast, near the end of December, 1811, began to leeward, near Cape Hatteras, and swept the American coast to the banks of Newfoundland, doing great damage to navigation, and exhibiting some curious facts in the history of the atmosphere. The particulars of this furious and memorable tempest have been collected by myself; and are in readiness to be offered to the society at the first convenient time..."
"...In Richmond the signs of an earthquake were witnessed by many persons...in one of the most elevated mansions, the bells were set a ringing in both the upper and lower rooms..."
"...At Louisville, (Ken.) near the falls of the Ohio, on Monday morning about three o'clock,... On the evening previous to the shock, there was a gentle rain, such as we have in April; and the night was rather close and dark; but at the termination of the first shock, it was light enough to enable a pin to be seen..."!!..."
"... The town of St. Louis, in Louisiana, experienced a full proportion of the commotion. Mr. Riddick, being at St. Louis, near the Mississippi, observed to me, that the shocks were preceded by a remarkable calm. The atmosphere was of a dingy and lurid aspect, and gleams and flashes of light were frequently visible around the horizon, in different directions, generally ascending from the earth. Sometimes sounds were heard, like wind rustling thorugh the trees, but not resembling thunder.
The first earthquake was felt aobut a quarter of an hour after two in the morning of the 16th. It roused persons from their sleep, by the clatter of windows, doors, and furniture, in tremulous motion. There was a rumbling distant noise, resembling a number of carriages passing over a pavement. In a few seconds the motions and noises had considerably increased. The sky was obscured by a thick and hazy fog, without a breath of wind. The weather was moderate, with the mercury about eight degrees above the freezing point..."
{...tryin' not to make ur wittle head hurt...;-]"...http://failuremag.com/feature/article/no_great_shakes/...
"...What makes the Global Positioning System (GPS) such an important new tool in earthquake studies?
The way earthquakes work is that energy is stored up in the ground for hundreds of years. Then it’s released in an earthquake—like a spring. A seismometer tells us what happens during an earthquake, but GPS lets us see what’s happening between earthquakes. It lets us see the ground storing up that energy and deforming.
When we look at faults around the world, we see them storing up that energy. So when we first put markers in the ground and measured the position of the Midwestern fault lines we were surprised that we didn’t see any motion at New Madrid. We concluded that there’s no sign that a big earthquake is on the way..."
Read more: http://failuremag.com/feature/article/n ... z4KMop1uEw
And between November 26-29, 1812 Napoleon eluded the Russians at the Battle of Berezina even though his original plan was thwarted when Mother Nature caused a warm spell to thaw the river so he had to build and rebuild bridges to get across.The Russian winter arrived with all its severity on the 6th of November.
The deep freeze would have served Napoleon well had it persisted.Napoleon's plan was to cross the Berezina River and head for Poland, while his enemies wanted to trap him there and destroy him. The original plan to cross the frozen river quickly proved impossible, as the usually frozen waterway had thawed and was now impassable.
Wiki Battle of Berezina
Kalopin wrote:Are you trying to say that everyone's too stupid?, [...or maybe just too low of an I.Q. to be able to process this information? Do you think teaching the truth- that it was a meteor impact, not an earthquake, would just be too much for people to comprehend?...:-]circumspice wrote:I'm thinking that if we all believed what you propose we'd all be in the rubber room hugging ourselves & drooling, alongside you...Kalopin wrote: ...so, where do you think we would be, if this would have been understood?
The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts...Minimalist wrote:And between November 26-29, 1812 Napoleon eluded the Russians at the Battle of Berezina even though his original plan was thwarted when Mother Nature caused a warm spell to thaw the river so he had to build and rebuild bridges to get across.The Russian winter arrived with all its severity on the 6th of November.
The deep freeze would have served Napoleon well had it persisted.Napoleon's plan was to cross the Berezina River and head for Poland, while his enemies wanted to trap him there and destroy him. The original plan to cross the frozen river quickly proved impossible, as the usually frozen waterway had thawed and was now impassable.
Wiki Battle of Berezina
The Great Comet of 1811 seems to have had no particular impact on astronomers, but the artists' world adverted to it. Tolstoy at the end of second book of in his work War and Peace wrote about the comet: It was clear and frosty. Above the dirty, ill-lit streets, above the black roofs, stretched the dark starry sky. Only looking up at the sky did Pierre cease to feel how sordid and humiliating were all mundane things compared with the heights to which his soul had just been raised. At the entrance to the Arbat Square an immense expanse of dark starry sky presented itself to his eyes. Almost in the center of it, above the Prechistenka Boulevard, surrounded and sprinkled on all sides by stars but distinguished from them all by its nearness to the earth, its white light, and its long uplifted tail, shone the enormous and brilliant comet of 1812 - the comet which was said to portend all kinds of woes and the end of the world..."
[...maybe we should go over every single detail?]- Great Comet of 1811 - Wikipedia, the free...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Comet_of_1811
The Great Comet of 1811, formally designated C/1811 F1, is a comet that was visible to the ... The comet was popularly thought to have portended Napoleon's invasion of Russia (even being referred to as "Napoleon's Comet") and the War of ...
Napoleon's and Tecumseh's comet 1811
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Napoleon's and Tecumseh's comet 1811. Print; Email. Details: Last Updated: Sunday, 24 August 2014 21:43: Hits: 720. The Great Comet of 1811, formally ...
The Great Comet of 1811, "Napoleon's Comet" |...
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Jul 10, 2013 ... No. 6 in our Comet a Week is The Great Comet of 1811, also known as Napoleon's Comet. With a coma over a million miles across, it was ...
War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy: Chapter XIX - The...
www.online-literature.com/tolstoy/war_and_peace/186/
His love for Natasha, Antichrist, Napoleon, the invasion, the comet, 666, L' Empereur Napoleon, and L'russe Besuhof- all this had to mature and culminate, to lift ...
200 YEARS AGO IN 1811 THERE WAS THE GREAT COMET...
www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2011/bruceb825-1.htm
Aug 25, 2011 ... Two hundred years ago in 1811 a comet appeared. It was ... It was dubbed the " Great Comet". ... Napoleon marched against Moscow in 1812.
Great Comet of 1811, II | StarDate Online
stardate.org/radio/program/great-comet-1811-ii
Nov 2, 2011 ... Napoleon saw the comet as a good omen. It encouraged him to invade Russia. But that proved disastrous not only to that country but also to his ...
1811-1817: When the Earth had a Brush with the...
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Oct 5, 2012 ... He says, “As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one ...
1811-12 New Madrid Earthquakes, A NEO Connection?
www.datasync.com/~rsf1/1811.htm
Nov 30, 2005 ... He says, "As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of 1811] developed a tail one ...
War and Peace - the enormous and brilliant comet -...
http://www.bookdrum.com/books/war-and-p ... 128833.htm...
Its association with Napoleon's invasion of Russia led to it being known as ' Napoleon's Comet'. Its scientific designation is the slightly less catchy 'C/1811 F1' .
The events of 1811 - 1812 and the Great Comet -...
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A quote within the link above states, "As Napoleon marched into Russia with an army of seven hundred thousand strong, the Great Comet [of ...
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o.k. smartass, tell me what's "not credible" [-like I have already told you to do!]...because you can not! You ass-u-me and spout out insults that only a moron would would be capable of...circumspice wrote:
No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely:
1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex
Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us.
The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts...
Yes, my "opinion" is the comet caused the climate change from 1811-1817...Minimalist wrote:The comet produced extreme weather, stronger warm fronts too, as well as much stronger cold fronts...
Evidence? Because by now you must have figured out that your opinion does not carry a lot of weight.
What "quartz crystals"?!- the embayment is sand and gravel- no crystals that size to make lights that bright...Earthquake Phenomena
Sand Boils
The world’s largest sand boil was created by the New Madrid earthquake. It is 1.4 miles long and 136 acres in extent, located in the Bootheel of Missouri, about eight miles west of Hayti, Missouri. Locals call it “The Beach.” Other, much smaller, sand boils are found throughout the area.
Seismic Tar Balls
Small pellets up to golf ball sized tar balls are found in sand boils and fissures. They are petroleum that has been solidified, or “petroliferous nodules.”
Earthquake Lights
Lights flashed from the ground, caused by quartz crystals being squeezed. The phenomena is called “seismoluminescence.”
Warm Water
Water thrown up by an earthquake was lukewarm. It is speculated that the shaking caused the water to heat up and/or quartz light heated the water.
Earthquake Smog
The skies turned dark during the earthquakes, so dark that lighted lamps didn’t help. The air smelled bad, and it was hard to breathe. It is speculated that it was smog containing dust particles caused by the eruption of warm water into cold air.
Loud Thunder
Sounds of distant thunder and loud explosions accompanied the earthquakes.
Animal Warnings
People reported strange behavior by animals before the earthquakes. They were nervous and excited. Domestic animals became wild, and wild animals became tame. Snakes came out of the ground from hibernation. Flocks of ducks and geese landed near people.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... 2_pics.phpMany of the published accounts describe the cumulative effects of all the earthquakes (known as the New Madrid Sequence); thus finding the individual effects of each quake can be difficult. Magnitude estimates and epicenters are based on interpretations of historical accounts and may vary.
Sediment layers, Memphis aquafer, Reelfoot Rift
Writing in the January 2007 issue of Scientific American, Roy B. Van Arsdale and Randel Cox of the University of Memphis offered the following explanation of the embayment's complex origin.
As Pangaea began to break up about 95 million years ago, North America passed over a volcanic "hot spot" in the earth's mantle (specifically, the Bermuda hot spot) that was undergoing a period of intense activity. The upwelling of magma from the hot spot forced the further uplift to a height of perhaps 2-3 km of part of the Appalachian-Ouachita range, forming an arch. The uplifted land quickly eroded and, as North America moved away from the hot spot and as the hot spot's activity declined, the crust beneath the embayment region cooled, contracted and subsided to a depth of 2.6 km, forming a trough that was flooded by the Gulf of Mexico. As sea levels dropped, the Mississippi and other rivers extended their courses into the embayment, which gradually became filled with sediment. -- answers.com/topic/mississippi-embayment/
...what?...The National Park Service says
About 18,000 years ago a continental glacier covered North America. This continental glaciation event, with its gradual melting period from 12,000 to 7,500 years ago, was the last in a series of continental glaciers that have formed and then receded over the last 25 million years. As the glaciers melted and reformed, the Mississippi and its tributaries carved valleys and created floodplains across the region. --nps.gov
...what?...The modern embayment is attributed to the rise of sea level in the Cretaceous.
["...sparsely populated..."?!- except for, maybe, the thousands of natives, unaccounted for?]They are among the Great earthquakes of known history, affecting the topography more than any other earthquake on the North American continent. Judging from their effects, they were of a magnitude of 8.0 or higher on the Richter Scale. They were felt over the entire United States outside of the Pacific coast. Large areas sank into the earth, new lakes were formed, the course of the Mississippi River was changed, and forests were destroyed over an area of 150,000 acres. Many houses at New Madrid were thrown down. "Houses, gardens, and fields were swallowed up" one source notes. But fatalities and damage were low, because the area was sparsely settled then.
Tecumseh’s Comet and the Battle of Tippecanoe
The earthquakes were preceded by the appearance of a great comet, which was visible around the globe for seventeen months, and was at its brightest during the earthquakes.
[...so, how does a fault in the middle of a tectonic plate, covered by hundreds of feet of sediment, produce these effects?...]"...Small pellets up to golf ball sized tar balls...","... “seismoluminescence.” ...","...Water thrown up by an earthquake was lukewarm...","...The skies turned dark during the earthquakes, so dark that lighted lamps didn’t help. The air smelled bad, and it was hard to breathe...","...Sounds of distant thunder and loud explosions...","...People reported strange behavior by animals before the earthquakes. They were nervous and excited..."
Surely you have heard of:The facts are that many, if not most, of the population at the time, also had this same opinion...
Yes, that is what has occurred... They are currently teaching misinterpretations derived from lack of investigation... These speculations and assumptions have been put into curriculum through arrogance inherited from passed on ignorance and has been forced inside the psyche of the great majority of students as if it is truth, when in fact, they even admit that they are estimates and beliefs based on hear-say evidence...and now "...is considered to be true or good solely because it is popular..."Minimalist wrote:Surely you have heard of:The facts are that many, if not most, of the population at the time, also had this same opinion...
Argumentum ad populum ("argument to the people") is a logical fallacy that occurs when something is considered to be true or good solely because it is popular.
...and, I believe the research may be in on the Tupelo meteorite?-Hydro-silica cemented sandstone exhibiting rare opalescence. These specimens are from the Miocene age upper Catahoula Formation of Claiborne County, matrix of which includes medium to coarse-grained quartz and black chert sands with disseminated angular to sub-rounded black chert and quartz pea gravel. Induration of this conglomeratic sandstone is a diagenetic, near-surface, leaching feature of amorphous silica; often resulting in orthoquartzite.
TUPELO, A NEW EL6 ENSTATITE Planetary Geoscience Institute, Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences
, University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN,
[3].The 280g Tupelo meteorite was found in 2012 by Maura O’Connell and Raymond Doherty, in a field in Mississippi while looking for Indian artifacts. Based on mineralogic and petrographic examination, we have determined it to be an enstatite chondrite,classified as EL6. Tupelo is one of 70 known EL6 chondrites, officially named in December 2012by the Meteoritical Society.
That pretty well sums it up.circumspice wrote:
No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely:
1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex
Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us.
Dang! that's rude. Do you think I would ever suggest banning you E.P.?E.P. Grondine wrote:That pretty well sums it up.circumspice wrote:
No, not at all Tony. I think just about anyone with an average I.Q. can see that you're mentally ill. I'm saying that your mental processes are too abnormal to comprehend that you are not credible. I'm saying that you have a whole suite of mental health issues that you must deal with first, namely:
1. Delusions of grandeur
2. Messiah complex
3. Persecution complex
Get mental health care first Tony. Resolve those issues before you become the Chicken Little Messiah & save us all from the sky falling on us.
What made it possible for Tony to build his delusional framework was a rather complete ignorance of physics, history, and geology.
The state of Alabama now has two museums just to the east of Montgomery where Tony could get himself straight: The Fort Mims museum and the Wetumpka Crater Museum,
As it is extremely doubtful if he will visit them on his own accord, I suggest banning him until he visits both of them, and talks with the people who staff them.
They're paid to educate, and they might as well earn their pay.
[...being a serial impact, there were many meteors, before and after the major bolide that hit northern Mississippi...]The Kilmichael Structure is a small structural disturbance about 9 kilometers in diameter in central Mississippi. It consists of a central uplift where Cretaceous and Tertiary rocks are uplifted about 450 m relative to their normal stratigraphic level. The uplift is surrounded by a graben with about 150 meters of subsidence, and an outer ring of fault blocks. The maps above show the approximate central part of the structure.
...do you understand what they are saying?...Magnitude estimates and epicenters are based on interpretations of historical accounts and may vary.