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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:16 am
by Essan
btw I can prove there was no global flood.

It's easy. I know there wasn't because God himself told me.

So, to say that there was a global flood you'd have to either accuse God of lying, or else prove that God did not speak to me.

I think that's check :)

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:28 am
by Guest
thanks for the chuckle---since you discounted the fact that marine life was found on mountain tops, i will over look your post

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:42 am
by Frank Harrist
archaeologist wrote:thanks for the chuckle---since you discounted the fact that marine life was found on mountain tops, i will over look your post
Marine life is found on some mountains because of uplift. As the tectonic plates shift they collide and the mountains are the uplift of that collision. So what was once on the bottom of the sea can be lifted high into the mountains. Very simplified explanation, but any geologist can tell you that. There would also be marine life fossils found deep under the surface of the earth because of subduction. Same principle. One goes under the other plate and mountains result on one side and the other side goes under. Read anything about plate tectonics and you can see a better explanation of it. I'm no geologist. But, I'm sure that Archie alrerady knows all this stuff. It's just not convenient to point out all the facts if they don't support your claims. :roll:

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:49 am
by Minimalist
But uplift is another of those theories that have the earth being 4.5 billion years old not 6,000. God would smote you for that, Frank. Unlike lots of pagan gods who were teachers and healers, ole Yahweh would just smote your ass for you. A very one-dimensional god.

Creationist "scholars" are living proof of the adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:04 pm
by Frank Harrist
Minimalist wrote:But uplift is another of those theories that have the earth being 4.5 billion years old not 6,000. God would smote you for that, Frank. Unlike lots of pagan gods who were teachers and healers, ole Yahweh would just smote your ass for you. A very one-dimensional god.

Creationist "scholars" are living proof of the adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
I think it's "smite". Smote is the past tense. I ain't smote yet. He might smite me, but I doubt it.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:11 pm
by Minimalist
Hell, if he hasn't smitten (!) me yet, he clearly has no power to smite anyone, anymore.

Maybe he's losing it in his old age?

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:25 pm
by Frank Harrist
Minimalist wrote:Hell, if he hasn't smitten (!) me yet, he clearly has no power to smite anyone, anymore.

Maybe he's losing it in his old age?
I thought smitten meant something else.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:27 pm
by Guest
But, I'm sure that Archie alrerady knows all this stuff. It's just not convenient to point out all the facts if they don't support your claims
that wouldn't explain how marine life got into the mountians that were not close to an ocean.

then how did the marine life get to tose areas, as the mass extinctions, i believe there were about 6 of them, seem to have wiped out most of life each time they happened. these are just theories, since they can't prove them, to provide an alternative to the truth which s the Biblical record.

i find it humorous to see people believe far fancier fairy tales created by evolutionists than what the Bible states took place. evidence can be manipulated and thatis what the evolutionists do because that is the only way to 'prove' their theory.

by the way, the mass distinctions are on topic as they attempt to explain the massive amount of fossils & evidence found left by the flood.

God is a patient God and he won't smite you as He has given you a certain amount of time to live then it will be too late for you.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:54 pm
by Minimalist
http://www.ccrh.org/comm/umatilla/primary/bretz.htm
In Canada ancient sea floor was being heaved up to make more sedimentary mountains, shoving Cambrian sea fossils and reefs half a billion years old some eight thousand feet into the air.

It's called "geology" and I know I'm wasting my time.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:00 pm
by Frank Harrist
archaeologist wrote:
But, I'm sure that Archie alrerady knows all this stuff. It's just not convenient to point out all the facts if they don't support your claims
that wouldn't explain how marine life got into the mountians that were not close to an ocean.

then how did the marine life get to tose areas, as the mass extinctions, i believe there were about 6 of them, seem to have wiped out most of life each time they happened. these are just theories, since they can't prove them, to provide an alternative to the truth which s the Biblical record.

i find it humorous to see people believe far fancier fairy tales created by evolutionists than what the Bible states took place. evidence can be manipulated and thatis what the evolutionists do because that is the only way to 'prove' their theory.

by the way, the mass distinctions are on topic as they attempt to explain the massive amount of fossils & evidence found left by the flood.

God is a patient God and he won't smite you as He has given you a certain amount of time to live then it will be too late for you.
If you take into account the true age of the earth then you'd know that it has all moved, so mountains which aren't near the sea now once were under it and they weren't mountains then. I know you don't accept that so it's a waste of time explaining it to you. I suppose you will call it manipulation of the facts or some such malarky. You know, when you insult evolutionists you are insulting me and a lot of other people. You make it appear as if we're all retards who just can't see the plain facts. We are, none of us, retarded and we don't make these claims about evolution lightly or for any motive other than that it is true. Do you think even Darwin wanted to go against everything he'd been taught his whole life just for some shit he dreamed up? He had a hard time with his consciense, but the facts are there for everyone to see. Only people blinded by religion can't see it. And another thing, you keep calling us "believers in evolution". It's not a religion. It's not a belief system. It's just the facts. Although it does take faith to deny the religious crap we were taught. Lots of people are "true believers" just in case there's a god. They think, "what if I'm wrong and there really is a god?" It's better to be safe than sorry. We don't have that luxury as evolutionists. If we're wrong we're in deep shit so we have to be mighty convinced in order to take such a chance. I was raised a Baptist and my father is a deacon so I wanted to believe in god. I tried. It's just not logical. There's no proof. It's all too tidy, too fanciful, and too mystical. I always wondered, with all the religions in the world, which one of them is right? Why do you think there are so many and not just one? If there was a real god then there wouldn't have to be so many. Different groups make up whatever god that group needs to make themselves feel better about the fact that they're gonna die some day. If there really was a god he'd show us the true religion and he'd SMITE the rest. ......So what else ya got, arch?

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:55 pm
by tj
archaeologist wrote:God is a patient God and he won't smite you as He has given you a certain amount of time to live then it will be too late for you.
He sure lost his patience with those poor people that got flooded. And the Egyptians, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites. Am I forgetting anyone?

I guess he gets soft with age and then the new covenant comes along. But then Revelations makes it pretty clear that he'll switch back to his old impatient self.

It doesn't matter to me if every single word of the bible is true. The 'god' described therein is too damn psychotic for my tastes. I'll pass, thanks.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:01 pm
by ReneDescartes
If there would be a god I would vote for Allah as he has the most supporters . ,at least Islam contributed to Science whilst baptists and evangelicals only contributed to ignorance, nothing else .Arch is obviously delusive and unable to reason in a scientific way . He only serves asan example of how zealots are the victim of their religion .Everytime we need him for the demonstration he willingly jumps in and proves our point ,right Arch ?

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:30 pm
by Leona Conner
Guess the "Dark Ages" do not exist in Arch's world. If he would spend some time reading real history rather than Christian propaganda, he would learn that the Dark Ages occured only in Christian countries. Maybe that was because Christianity and it's small mindedness was the prime cause. In Spain, occupied by the Moors, and in the Middle East, almost entirely Islam, the world progressed. Mathmatics (opps sorry Arch you don't believe in math), medicine, astronomy and the rest of the sciences thrived, while in the Holy Roman Empire people stagnated.

Oh, BTW Arch, at one time long before you acknowledge, the whole of the Western Hemisphere was underwater. All except for a mountain now in the Smokies. That's how we got trilobites on our property.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:35 pm
by Minimalist
Arch thinks there were trilobites on the ark, Leona.

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:43 pm
by Leona Conner
Ops. Must have had a brain fart.