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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:07 pm
by Minimalist
In the Land Bridge thread, Cogs has posted a map of California showing the ice age coastline.
It doesn't take too much imagination to visualize the extension of that strip of land north into the Pacific Northwest and Canada.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:48 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Author's Note: I gladly accept photos of handaxes for this website.
There are NO handaxes in America so they must come from Europe, Africa, or Asia. Handaxes must have evidence of being worked by hand -- please don't send photos of odd rocks that merely resemble handaxes. Don't ask about selling handaxes -- most have little monetary value, although museums treat such donations as if they were priceless. You can also send me handaxes and I will put photos online, and then donate them to a US museum with credit to you. If you're hunting for handaxes it's best to consult a text with maps of stone age settlements.
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/axe/
Ha! Look what I stumbled across. Dang. Well, I guess I'll quit...
Think I should e-mail him, and yank his chain a bit?

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:08 pm
by Beagle
Think I should e-mail him, and yank his chain a bit?
That's actually a very nice article. But yeah, go ahead and give him a little heartburn Charlie.
He may log on and see your whole collection - or visit your website. That would be interesting.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:10 pm
by stan
Yeah, Charlie. Email him and yank his chain.
BUt be sure to only show him a few of your best and most
obvious handaxes...otherwise you'll be shot down.
If he can't see or admit the most obvious ones, then
he's clearly in "denial."
BTW, in North Carolina, our state archaeologists talk about hand axes
here.
Hand Axes
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:20 pm
by Cognito
There are NO handaxes in America so they must come from Europe, Africa, or Asia.
Why don't you just have Dr. Kowalski strategically cram one of our non-existing hand axes up his rectum, instead? Shouldn't be too painful if they don't exist, eh?

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:22 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
That's actually a very nice article. But yeah, go ahead and give him a little heartburn Charlie.
Yeah, it was a good article, with lots of images. I bookmarked it.
Yeah, Charlie. Email him and yank his chain.
But be sure to only show him a few of your best and most
obvious handaxes...otherwise you'll be shot down.
Will do. What's to lose? I figure I'll send him the top 5. Any input as to which those should be, is much appreciated.
BTW, in North Carolina, our state archaeologists talk about hand axes
here.
Any mention of context? Interesting!
Why don't you just have Dr. Kowalski strategically cram one of our non-existing hand axes up his rectum, instead? Shouldn't be too painful if they don't exist, eh?
Didn't you send a guy some photos of your axes, and he acknowledged they were handaxes...until you told him where they were found?

Hand Axes
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:26 pm
by Cognito
Didn't you send a guy some photos of your axes, and he acknowledged they were handaxes...until you told him where they were found?
Yup ... same guy.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:34 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Yup ... same guy.
Ha! Go figure.

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:56 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Here's what I think are 5 good ones to send the Dr.:
I.
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20368.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20366.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20367.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 7.5"- Lima-Igl
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II.
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20441.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20442.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Basal/ Dorsal View- 5"- Romeo-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20445.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5"- Romeo-Igl
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III.
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20443.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20446.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 6"- Romeo-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20447.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Proximal/ Dorsal View- 6"- Romeo-Igl
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IV.
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20501.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Dorsal View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20502.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Ventral View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20503.jpg
Possible PreClovis Hand Ax- Distal View- 5.5"- Lima B-Igl
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V.
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20210.jpg
http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... %20211.jpg
What do you guys think?
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:51 pm
by stan
Charlie,
I think no one should question #'s
II, III, and V. They seem obvious.
However, since you just revealed that you've had previous dealings with this guy, hmmmm.
Can you ask him to talk about the obvious knapping patterns
and overall "correct" size and shape of II, III, and V?
The fellow's site at least acknowledges some crude and small forms which he calls hand axes...so apparently he's willing to accept different morphologies....but it also sounds like his definition only applies to the
Paleolitihic, which didn't exist in NA. according to established dogma.
I'll try to find that reference to hand axes in NC.
However, I want to know if you are drawing a distinction between
what I call "celts" and hand axes. Celts are ground smooth, used by
Native Americans sometimes as ritual objects. I am sure these are found in NA, but are from more recent times.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:03 pm
by stan
http://www.webdyer.com/artifacts_fossils/tools.htm
Here's something I stumbled across...some pictures of
hand axes from the midwest. (Don't know how authentic or
well documented these are.)
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:57 am
by stan
Charlie, Here's another site, from Skidmore college in Ohio.
It pictures something called "preforms" as well as
"celts."
http://www.skidmore.edu/www/academics/a ... photos.htm
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:09 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Morning, Stan.
Appreciate the refs. It's hard to compare many of the pieces, because of their relative youth, and the absence of a Woodland and Mississippian period in central Texas. The handax or two displayed in the first ref definitely look like their made for similar functions, but the worked portions of chert look way young compared to the context in which I'm finding these handaxes (no patina, carbonate deposits, etc..). The handaxes here are being found well below the Clovis horizon, in the Pleistocene gravels:
I think I'll take your advice on the three handaxes. I'll keep it short and sweet. I haven't actually made contact with Dr. Kowalski. Pat has, though. He was told there are no handaxes in N.A.

Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:11 am
by Bruce
Yeah, but it's a valid scientific principle, in historical matters: Inference To The Best Explanation. Who knows, Bro. We're just scratching the surface...
If this dating starts to stand up, we have to remember HS encountered HN, HE, and who knows who else when he got here.
http://www.bbrotemarkle.com/Album12/3_8_06_0101.html
Stan, You wrote something about mineral images being projected. Do you have any links for that.
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:14 am
by Charlie Hatchett
If this dating starts to stand up, we have to remember HS encountered HN, HE, and who knows who else when he got here.
Good point. Definitely requires a very open mind.
