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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:56 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Digit wrote:The history of the early excavations at Zimbabwe Min are coloured by the determination of the excavators to 'prove' anybody bar the local people built the city.
In Smith's story, which is good read I found, the city was built by Hannibal's family none the less.
Really? I was told it was a rich, developed nation with gold mines. A kind of an inland Atlantis. Which' gold through trading with arabs from Yemen (whose boss was the Queen of Sheba) ended up in Solomon's temple in Jerusalem. So that would point to dates well before Hannibal.
When was Solomon, Min? 7th century BC?

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:00 pm
by Minimalist
My guess is "never," but fundies hold out for the 10th century BC

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:01 pm
by Beagle
Minimalist wrote:HNS meets Brussel Sprouts.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -diet.html
Tiny bits of plant material found in the teeth of a Neandertal skeleton unearthed in Iraq provide the first direct evidence that the early human relatives ate vegetation, researchers say.

Little is known about diet of Neandertals (also spelled Neanderthals), although it's widely assumed that they ate more than just meat.
We recently had an article saying that Neandertals ate mainly meat. And now he;s a vegetarian. While they're trying to figure out what his diet was like, it would be helpful if they noticed that the meateater was in ice age Europe and the vegetarian was in a warm period Levant. So, he probably was omnivorous, just like us.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:09 pm
by Minimalist
Poor bastards probably never tasted a Big Mac.

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:22 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:Poor bastards probably never tasted a Big Mac.
Good thing they never did. They'd have gone extinct for sure!

Aurignacians

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:08 pm
by Cognito
One group of scientists - known as the multi-regionalists, led by Milford Wolpoff from Michigan University - claim these ancient humans began to evolve in these new homelands and that the Chinese, aborigines from Australia, the Inuit and other races today are the direct descendants of these ancient emigres. An example is provided by the Neanderthals who dominated Europe from about 250,000 years ago until they disappeared around 35,000 years ago. In their place, a race of sophisticated craftsmen and hunters called the Cro-Magnons began to flourish. Multi-regionalists claim Neanderthals vanished for the simple reason they had evolved into Cro-Magnons, who then became the founding stock of Europeans today.
Beags, I asked Prof. Wolpoff the question, "Who were the Aurignacians?" and he returned his reply with three lengthy PDF files captioned as "recent research". His take is that the Aurignacians were either Neanderthals or hybrids -- but certainly not moderns from Africa. Should anyone wish, just PM me with your direct email and I'll forward the files. The three articles are 123 total pages in length so don't sue me for gumming up your computer! To make matters worse, Milford scanned one of the papers upside down. Don't ask me rotate it -- not gonna happen in this lifetime. :D

Given the morphology, the most likely answer is that the Neanderthals were hybridized out of existence. Most genetic traces would be washed out over a few thousand years by an overwhelming immigration into the area post-LGM. However, I suspect my neighbor's daughter is an annoying little throwback to a Neanderthal. :evil:

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:13 pm
by Digit
Given the morphology, the most likely answer is that the Neanderthals were hybridized out of existence. Most genetic traces would be washed out over a few thousand years by an overwhelming immigration into the area post-LGM. However, I suspect my neighbor's daughter is an annoying little throwback to a Neanderthal.
Oh I love it when I'm proved right! :twisted:
I've been arguing that ever since I joined the forum!

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:23 pm
by Minimalist
Last night, on The Naked Archaeologist, the very annoying Simcha Jacobovici started out searching for "Giants" in the bible...the reference to giants in the earth and Goliath and Og. Even with his usual oafish manner he managed to dissuade himself that such things were meant literally and went back to take a look at the original text.

It appears the word which was translated as "giants" by the shmucks who translated the KJV is actually "nephilim" which means not giants but "the fallen ones." He then went to a cave in northern Israel, spoke to an archaeologist/paleontologist who has a skeleton which, he says, is a hybrid of HNS and HSS. Jacobovici, psycho that he is, concluded that this must be what the OT is talking about.....30,000 years ago.

So, Dig, I don't know if you want to be a member of any club that would have Jacobovici as a member but, if you or anyone wants to see the episode I can pando it to you. I record them all and send them to Arch because Jacobovici being a clown is the one thing we actually agree on.

But this time...Simcha ended up doing better.

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:02 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Well, here's the evidence Min:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:06 pm
by Digit
Depends on how much they pay Min. :lol:

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:29 pm
by Forum Monk
Rokcet Scientist wrote:Well, here's the evidence Min:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63lhtx2q8o
:lol:

"Dr." Carl Baugh.

Received his doctorate degrees from several nonaccredited universities, one of which he is president.
Pacific International University -
The university had no accreditation and offered doctorates for a lump sum payment.[4] The fees ranged up to 2,500-3,000 USD for a Doctor of Theological Studies degree. The school has an "administrative office," but no campus, so no classes are held on site.[5] There are no minimum educational requirements to apply other than two references, one academic and one church related.[6] Nonetheless, the university noted it "is in good standing with the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, Inc. (North Carolina) and is also a member of the Association of Christian Colleges and Theological Schools (Louisiana)," but for legal reasons makes it known "these memberships do NOT constitute accreditation by the U.S. Office of Education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_In ... University

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:38 pm
by Forum Monk
A little off topic but I found this - next to R/S' video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2k7cigz ... re=related

what???? :shock:

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:05 pm
by Minimalist
A Doctor of Theological Studies, huh?

Richard Dawkins had some great things to say about people with "theology" degrees!

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:42 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Overhere, you can become an astronaut if Mummy cuts out 3 coupons from the backs of cereal boxes...

Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:52 am
by Digit
Which cereal?