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Science strikes a blow for HNS.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... tools.html
Tough tools

Disc flakes, Eren's team discovered, waste less rock, suffer fewer breaks and have more cutting edge for their mass compared with straight blades.

"We found that with every respect the Neanderthal technology was just as efficient, if not slightly more efficient, than modern Homo sapiens blade technology," he says. "This was a very strong indication that Neanderthals did not go extinct because of any cognitive inferiority."


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http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-sci ... 2009-04-06

Min posted this article in the Mythology forum in a discussion there. I think it's a good one and I'm putting it here for future follow-up.

Similar articles have been coming out in the last 9 months, which seems coincidental with the Neanderthal Genome breakthrough. It will be interesting to see how they frame their final report.
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Interesting article Beag. I read the comments that followed as well, including the one about HSS versus HSN gestation periods, the writer completely missed the point that gestation plus nursing normally controls reproduction rate.

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He found that although the modern humans created a larger variety of tools than did the Neandertals, the groups engaged in mostly the same activities. These activities include using tree resin to bind stone points to wooden handles, employing stone points as thrusting or projectile weapons,

Hey....wait a minute....I thought the Neandertals were either, a) too stupid or b) couldn't throw things because of skeletal problems or c) lived in dense forests where projectile weapons were useless!

These people have got to make up their minds. They are confusing the hell out of me!
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Having known you for some time Min I would suggest that it is they who are confused rather than you!

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Sometimes I wonder.............
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It's them. Trust me!

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:D
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Digit wrote:Interesting article Beag. I read the comments that followed as well, including the one about HSS versus HSN gestation periods, the writer completely missed the point that gestation plus nursing normally controls reproduction rate.

Roy.
Quite true Roy. It's true that nursing a baby stimulates the hormone prolactin, which is an effective contraceptive. But fossil studies show that Neanderthal babies' teeth erupted at the same time as all the other people in Europe. That sort of ends that argument, although you see it a lot in those "comments"

If it were otherwise, there would be a major theory about the Neanderthal extinction, which, by the way, I think you know my feelings about. :wink:
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http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/co ... 2009/420/2
But it will take more than a virtual pelvis to convince other researchers. "I don't know if I believe the reconstruction," says paleoanthropologist Karen Rosenberg of the University of Delaware, Newark. She and others have questions about the accuracy of the reconstruction of the missing parts of the pelvis, which are critical for proving there was no rotation. "Given the poor preservation of the Tabun pelvis, ... this is a bold claim," says anthropologist Marcia Ponce de León of the University of Zurich in Switzerland. She does agree, however, with one conclusion: "Birth was equally difficult in Neandertals as in modern humans," with or without a twist.
Interesting article from yesterdays news. I've quoted the last paragraph of the article because it's the only one I really agree with.
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So why would our ancestors evolve such a complicated birth in the first place? Other research shows that they had to balance pressures to adapt to the hot climate in equatorial Africa--and tall, slender-hipped humans thermoregulate in the heat better than short, stocky humans (whose physiology retains heat better in the frigid latitudes). By evolving a birth canal that is wide front to back, our ancestors were able to accommodate both narrower pelvises and the delivery of big-brained babies, suggests Weaver.


Um.....Beags? Didn't HE "evolve" in Africa also? Maybe it was cooler then?

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Great point Min. This guy writing the article is just off base I think. We've always known (or think we've known), that the birth canal is more forward thrusting and slimmer because that's the price we pay for bipedalism.

So I think he's on the wrong track. Plus he wasn't working with a complete female pelvis.

But on a brighter note, since info has been filtering out of the Neanderthal Genome Project, we have not been seeing all those Neanderthal extinction theories.
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Beagle wrote: But on a brighter note, since info has been filtering out of the Neanderthal Genome Project, we have not been seeing all those Neanderthal extinction theories.
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Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good right now. but there's no doubt in my mind that the Empire will strike back. It will be interesting.
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"So why would our ancestors evolve such a complicated birth in the first place? Other research shows that they had to balance pressures to adapt to the hot climate in equatorial Africa--and tall, slender-hipped humans thermo regulate in the heat better than short, stocky humans (whose physiology retains heat better in the frigid latitudes). By evolving a birth canal that is wide front to back, our ancestors were able to accommodate both narrower pelvises and the delivery of big-brained babies, suggests Weaver."

Excuse me, but I can introduce you to a number of "stocky humans" with a whole lot of long genetic history in Africa.

The US sports scene is full of them.
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