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i really think that there are slim chances of pyramid being there but something is there, possibly an ancient illyran settlement or city?

GG, what does CHEAH NIG mean?

concerning unesco investigations citing de Telegraaf,todays edition
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vr 2 jun 2006, 16:07
Onderzoek naar piramides in Bosnië
OPATIJA - De cultuurorganisatie van de Verenigde Naties, de Unesco, gaat onderzoeken of in Bosnië piramides voorkomen. De Unesco reageert op de claim van Bosnische amateurarcheologen die zeggen dat zij in het Visoko-dal de eerste piramides van Europa hebben ontdekt.
De Unesco zei vrijdag dat een team deskundigen de komende maanden de beweringen gaat onderzoeken. unquote
translated into English :Investigations concerning the pyramids in Bosnia
OPATIJA-The cultural organisation of the UN,Unesco,will investigate if pyramids occur in Bosnia.Unesco reacts to the claims of Bosnian amateurarchaeologs pretending to have discovered the first pyramids of Europ.
Unesco said on friday that a team of experts will investigate these claims during the next months ...
so it seems the question will be solved soon ,the fact that Unesco is willing to send a team of experts for a period of several months is excellent news for all.Now just wait and see

.Now just wait and see

I wouldn't count on that happening here.

Ciko wrote:

2 June 2006

UNESCO to join search for pyramids in central Bosnia

(UNESCO) will join Bosnian experts

join who? Indiana Jones? heheh

UNESCO to join search for pyramids in central Bosnia
Jun 2, 2006, 13:01 GMT

Sarajevo - The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) will join Bosnian experts in searching for what is believed to be one or more ancient pyramids in central Bosnia, the Bosnian Presidency said Friday in a statement.

The chairman of Bosnia-Herzegovina's rotating presidency, Sulejman Tihic, met with UNESCO director-general Koichiro Matsuura in the Croatian coastal town of Opatija, the statement said.

Tihic informed Matsuura about progress at the site in the town of Visoko where the structure was found and Matsuura promised to send soon a group of UNESCO archaeological experts to investigate the find.

Earlier this week, an Egyptian geologist and expert in pyramids, Aly Abd Alla Barakat, said the discovery of treated stone blocks confirmed the existence of a pyramid.

Barakat found two polished, sculpted stone blocks that might prove that a highly-developed ancient civilization built the structure under what is now Visocica Hill near Visoko.

A group of local and international experts began three months ago a thorough study of Visocica, which they believe may conceal a quadrilateral pyramid.

Earlier this year, preliminary findings from sound scans and satellite imagery of the terrain offered evidence that one or more pyramids may have existed in Visoko, some 30 kilometres north of Sarajevo.

The scans showed clay, polished stone pieces and stones with metal traces believed to be man-made.

Remote sensing by satellite, artificial illumination and radar topography showed geometric features that seem to be positioned in a triangular form, matching the four sides of the world.

The discovery of the site has caused a surge in the number of tourists in Visoko.

Last weekend alone, more than 10,000 tourists visited that tiny central Bosnian town, tourist authorities said.

"After studying excavations on the north side of the pyramid, Barakat concludes that the blocks here are handmade and have been created using a mould to form the blocks, which consist of an ancient 'concrete'-like mix. He also noticed a white line some 0.5cm thick between the blocks, indicating a cement-like substance has been used to adhere the blocks together. A similar method has been seen in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids."

That was your best post yet, Ciko. It's good that this is getting the world's attention.

Rene, could you kindly read my post before you respond? I will not repeat what I wrote, but here are several comments on your response.

About time that science,be it archaeology ,steps out of it's ghetto .The situation in bosnia on a political scale is not suited for the kind of luxury diggings that would be accepted in an ideal surrounding .Please be aware of the context of the recent history .Suddenly those opposed to the digging claim that visoko is the most important site in bosnia and that Osmanavic is destroying it for ever .What are the arguments for this claim ?I havent heard any or at least they failed to convince me .It seems that the outcome of this dig is highely uncertain .A pyramid in Bosnia ?Small chance ,certainly not 12.000 years old ,that much is abolutely certain unless you are Eric von Daniken or Samir Osmanavic .But rejecting the whole thing on the basis of Osmanavic claims of its pretended age is not really logical because it does not reject the possibility alltogether of an artefarct . .He could be right on the existence and still be wrong on its age .
An example.PLate talks about Atlantis and claims it existed roughly 9000 years ago .It was destroyed by a major cataclysm.For me Atlantis is found already on Santorini ,it fits all the conditions EXCEPT for the age and of course all the claims of newage pseudoscientist and ufologist .
Which I am not let that be clear.
I just hope they dig up enough stuff to get Bosnia on the worldmap in a postive way,stimulate tourism and the local economy ,enough also for the scientific community to step in and take ove the dig to insure appropriate and responsible research .THere is really not much to be afraid of.

Since when is the Bosnian intelligentsia in a ghetto? If they do not respond to the wild claims about the pyramids that does not mean that they were in the ghetto. They are just waiting for Os to produce something meaningful. We would all be happy to see the pyramids, but let’s find out what is really under the hill.

I am not proposing “luxury diggings”, as you incorrectly paraphrased my words. It just happened that I know a thing or two of budgeting research projects. It is not difficult to find out how much would a more professional dig cost, for example, a dig with 20 real archeologists from Bosnia. The media reported about some fundings that the foundation received from the goverment. It sems there is enough money.

Speaking of putting Bosnia on the map, there was an army of Bosnian scientists who wanted to help when they heard about the pyramid. (Those who are not familiar with the current situation of the Bosnia science could find more information by following this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_ ... erzegovina.) I know at least 15-20 people, who wanted to get involved into the enterprise. Everybody wanted to help at the beginning. We were ready to offer hundreds of hours of our work for free. However, we noticed that Os does not have any references, just wild claims about “the biggest archeological site”, “the newest scientific proofs”. Then, Os started to attack the Bosnian science from 19th century”, and yes, he promised to “lead the Bosnian science into 21st century” and to rewrite history of the civilization. Finally, everybody noticed the doctored reports.

In addtion, many of us cooperate with the National Museum in Sarajevo (http://www.zemaljskimuzej.ba/english/archeology.htm). I needed a favor from them a year ago. They were very, very kind and provided everything that I asked for. When the whole pyramid enterprise started, we learnt that the museum was not involved. Two days ago, the media reported that a delegation from the museum visited the pyramid, but still, they would not cooperate with Os anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I heard that they are becoming quite loud opposition of his. I don’t get how Os made them not cooperate. They are kind and helpful people.

Anyway, Os promised his scientific proofs by the end of June. So far, he has got media attention and the budget. Many people volunteer. Os has a strong political support too. On the other hand, his opposition is getting better organized, but more or less, Os has got everything he needs. Let’s play fair now, and let’s give him an opportunity to step up and produce scientific reports as promised.

Ciko wrote:

Sarajevo - The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) will join Bosnian experts in searching for what is believed to be one or more ancient pyramids in central Bosnia, the Bosnian Presidency said Friday in a statement

Barakat found two polished, sculpted stone blocks that might prove that a highly-developed ancient civilization built the structure under what is now Visocica Hill near Visoko.

A group of local and international experts began three months ago a thorough study of Visocica, which they believe may conceal a quadrilateral pyramid

Earlier this year, preliminary findings from sound scans and satellite imagery of the terrain offered evidence that one or more pyramids may have existed in Visoko, some 30 kilometres north of Sarajevo

I highlighted the number of times that report managed to contradict itself. You've spent 40-odd pages telling us that its existence has definitely been proven, yet whoever wrote that item went to great lengths to hedge his bets. So who is right-the journalist or Osmanagich? And why was no source quoted for it? It could have come from anywhere.

Ciko wrote:"After studying excavations on the north side of the pyramid, Barakat concludes that the blocks here are handmade and have been created using a mould to form the blocks, which consist of an ancient 'concrete'-like mix. He also noticed a white line some 0.5cm thick between the blocks, indicating a cement-like substance has been used to adhere the blocks together. A similar method has been seen in the construction of the Egyptian pyramids."

If you go to Osmangich's own website, the same report appears there too. Except that NOWHERE on the site does it mention WHO supposedly confirmed that information; not Barakat or anyone else. Therefore AFAIC it's a pack of lies.

Hmmm....now contrast the picture above, from several pages back, with this one (below) from National Geographic of the footprint of an American Astronaut on the moon.




I think the similarity makes it clear that whatever is in Bosnia was built by alien spacemen with very worn shoes.

Fortuneteller, to what extent do ethnic or religious rivalries play a part in this controversy?

A few weeks ago someone from former Jugoslavia stated that
the government support of Osmanegic was the first step toward creating a taliban- like regime in Bosnia.

Thank you.

A few weeks ago someone from former Jugoslavia stated that
the government support of Osmanegic was the first step toward creating a taliban- like regime in Bosnia.

bullshit, this can only come from serbs or croats , you knowm we like each other so much that we kill each other so much love is between us

Ciko wrote:

A few weeks ago someone from former Jugoslavia stated that
the government support of Osmanegic was the first step toward creating a taliban- like regime in Bosnia.

bullshit, this can only come from serbs or croats , you knowm we like each other so much that we kill each other so much love is between us

I guess that says it all

Fortuneteller
Perhaps I have to clarify a few things as I seem to be misunderstood.Nowhere did I say that the bosnian scientists or intelligentia live in a ghetto.Really nowhere . Sorry

as i have pointed out in my critique of the construction there are many problems with this site. one such problem is. why are we not fed the emat of the discoveries but given only the pablum.

nothing has been shown or exposed that provides ample food for discussion. baratak's declaration seems to be stretched to prove the thoery as anyone could tell you that those slabs (and they are not blocks) were made of concrete using forms. duh. anytime you pour concrete you need forms you don't need an egyptian expert to tell you these things.

as to it being ancient...sorry don't buy it. i would need more than the word of an 'expert' who can't tell the difference between fossils. besides anyone can mix concrete and they may have used similar materials as the pyramid builders BUT it doesn't mean it is ancient.

you are going to have to provide more . like: why wasn't the ground dug around the 3 blocks? why can't we see if it is a wall or a foundation or not? what is Os afraid of...too much information discrediting him?

showing pictures of old concrete and useless stones along with a person's opinion proves nothing, provide some real evidence.

by the way, the so-called concrete slabs are poured at an angle that would not support too much weight if built upon. it is pored as a covering, similiar to protection not construction.

which now brings me too comparisons. if you look at most of the pyramids provided in pictures posted here, you will see no concrete used in their construction in the manner being exposed by these ciko posted pictures.

the stone blocks used are in a pattern that form a wall, a foundation and there are enough of them to make a determination. these ciko photos only show one or two or maybe a couple feet of a pathway but nothing that supports the theory.

am i frustrated concerning the lack of information--yes because this dig is nothing but a mess with nothing provided that shows progression, just the same old same old.

** on the lighter side, who cares about UNESCO experts--just send in finkelstein and dever. they will solve this puzzle just by kicking over a rock or two.**

He also noticed a white line some 0.5cm thick between the blocks, indicating a cement-like substance has been used to adhere the blocks together

just saw this little tidbit--do you think...? Os had to send for an egyptian expert to tell him what any bosnian concrete worker could have told him? what is this dig--the parade of clowns?

48 pages and all we are getting is the 'comedy channel' or the 'tonight show'. provide something of substance not this mickey mouse spoon feeding..... .