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Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:16 pm
by Minimalist
As different as Neanderthals were, they may not have been different enough to be considered a separate species. "There are humans today who are more different from each other in phenotype [physical characteristics]," says John Hawks, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Wisconsin.
I am really finding Hawks to be the best leader on this whole subject. The guy simply makes sense.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:51 pm
by Digit
Some of us have been labouring that point for some years haven't we Min? I think we're in danger of becoming the new 'Club'!
Roy.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:56 pm
by Minimalist
Perish the thought!
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:43 am
by Rokcet Scientist
But inevitable.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:05 am
by uniface
My apology in advance if this has already been posted. A long, interesting and solid argument :
http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199707/0015.html
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:22 am
by Digit
Not exactly new I'm afraid uniface, except the Christianity bit, how the heck that got in there I do not know!
Roy.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:29 pm
by Minimalist
how the heck that got in there I do not know!
They try to sneak in everywhere!
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:00 pm
by uniface
Not exactly new I'm afraid uniface
Not having followed the topic very closely, it was new to me.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:24 pm
by Digit
Not only has the tool technology associated with Cro Magnon now been re allocated to HSN so have some of the cave paintings.
The 'Great Awakening', now looks less certain.
Roy.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:34 pm
by uniface
Perhaps this one is news, then ?
http://asaa-persimmonpress.com/number_8 ... rthal.html
Links to the full article in pdf format
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:48 am
by Digit
Well uniface it will come as no surprise to my regular readers!!!
that I question that as well, but with reason.
I am aware that the stocky build associated with HSN is associated with cold climes, the Inuit, but so it is with the great apes!
Darwin, in his account of the voyage of the Beagle recounts a landfall in Tierra Del Fuego, he recounts a party held with the Fuegans with the crew sitting muffled against the snow around a blazing fire with the Fuegans sitting well back from the heat and sweating as the snow melted on their naked bodies!
These people did not show any physical adaptions to the cold.
Roy.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:26 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Digit wrote:
These people did not show any physical adaptions to the cold.
So it follows theirs were mental adaptations, doesn't it?
Ever seen Nordic people perform the daily sauna rituals in 100 degrees of heat and then frolick in the snow and dive into ice covered water?
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:12 am
by Digit
Seems so RS.
Roy.
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:57 pm
by circumspice
Interesting article. However, the part about the Neanderthal diet directly contradicts most of what has been "established" about what HN ate.
Supposedly, isotope testing on HN's teeth have shown their diet to be mostly, if not all, meat based. So, who's fudging the data? (i.e. lying)
No-one can agree on even small points, let alone the larger picture, so who does one trust when you are a mere observer and dependent upon
others for the data?
Re: Neanderthal News
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:34 pm
by Minimalist
And that diet was not established all that long ago, Circ.
http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news202.htm
Neanderthals likely were skilled hunters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) Neanderthals feasted on meat, meat and more meat, researchers said Monday in a report that adds to a growing body of evidence that they were skilled hunters and not grunting, witless cave men, as they are often portrayed.
Chemical analyses of bones found in caves in Croatia showed Neanderthals ate a diet similar to that of wolves and lions, and probably hunted woolly mammoths, the researchers reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Our findings provide conclusive proof that European Neanderthals were top-level carnivores, who lived on a diet of mainly hunted animal meat," said Fred Smith, chairman of the Department of Anthropology at Northern Illinois University.
But I can't answer your question because I am right down there in the trenches with you.
