Giza

marduk · Post by **marduk** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:44 pm

Robert Schoch thinks it was sundaland
imagine that
geordie atlanteans

wahey man lets go kick in some athenians aye

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:04 pm

Oh, brother....

http://www.taftmidwaydriller.com/articl ... news01.txt

A retired navy man's musings on riding a backyard swing as a young boy gave him the idea for an invention that he says can explain one of histories enduring mysteries - the construction of the great pyramids of Egypt.

James Murphy said his Apex Delivery and Lifting System - or Murphy Mover - is more than just an explanation. It's a nearly energy free way of lifting and moving large objects

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:25 pm

As an engineer I see a number snags re the pyramids. Firstly you could not lift the blocks the way he is showing on his model 'cos you would still have to get the pallet out from under.
Secondly all the obvious points against have been made in the follow up, like how do you get it moving in the right direction.
Thirdly, it couldn't be used on the casing blocks if they were in fact fitted from the top downwards.
One of the difficulties with the pyramid is that there is no visible evidence of lifting gear having been used, and the other obvious course, levers, couldn't have been used either.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:32 pm

Maybe the kite idea has merit in comparison?

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:38 pm

Provided that the lifting ropes don't interfere with the placement of the blocks, then indeed it may have Min. I would be happier if somebody found a lifting hole in the top of blocks. Without that I'm damned if I can see how they hoisted them.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:39 pm

I don't think you would need a hole. A simple sling around the back side would work. Put pullys at the top. Just don't get it going too fast or the military guys may get intrested. Can you say wind powered catapult?

I found these sites about the kite experments. It dosn't look like it ever got beyond a grad student's experment. And was long enough ago that he is now worrying about morgage payments and the kids shoes.

http://pr.caltech.edu/periodicals/Calte ... elisk.html

Http://obelisk.caltech.edu/caltech_press.html

http://obelisk.caltech.edu/home.html

It seems they used kites because that was what they could get. Their wind expert was a kite sufer!
The grad student's comment about a drag shoot being good enough might say a lot.

Note that in the one test the wind was strong to have the whole thing hanging free and swinging!

Even if they didn't do it this way, it is fun to think the might have.

Maybe they hired Phoneicians as the sail experts? And that is why it is never mentioned. To proud to mention the need for outside help in such an inportant project?

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:47 pm

One of the difficulties with the pyramid is that there is no visible evidence of lifting gear having been used, and the other obvious course, levers, couldn't have been used either.

Egyptian tradition is that the stones flew through the air.

Of course, we all know that's impossible....things never fly through the air.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:54 pm

flew through the air?
Maybe "pulled by the air"?
How precise are our translations?

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:56 pm

Nice links KB.
About a year ago or so back I saw this on television.

Its as good as anything anyone else has proposed.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:00 pm

kbs2244 wrote:flew through the air?
Maybe "pulled by the air"?
How precise are our translations?

Oh the Club claims to speak Egyptian better than Ramesses II. Do you doubt them?

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:22 pm

Digit, I wouldn't be so quick to rule out levers as a possible tool to aid in construction. Firstly, the blocks were limestone (iirc) which is one of the harder stones and there are many kinds of lever designs which can easily slip under the edge of a block and be used to lift it with doing any damage to the face of the block. It may chip or marr the bottom, however.

Now you have me thinking about it again, and I said I wasn't going to do it.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:48 pm

One last thing (I hope) from me about the how the pyramids were built.

Many years ago, I read about a guy named Ed Leeedskalnin who claimed to have figured out the secret of how the pyramids were built and to prove his claim, he single-handedly was in the process of erecting a castle in south central florida using multi-ton blocks of coral. He never revelaed the 'secret' and took it to the grave with him.

His structre stands to day as a testament to the fact that he knew something and apparently he did what he did without heavy equipment. But since noone saw the work, who really knows. I leave you with one link, but if you want to know more, just google "coral castle"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:53 pm

His structre stands to day as a testament

To his "sweet sixteen". Sad story. It's worth going down and seeing it from where you are Monk.

Interesting.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:01 pm

Yeah it is kind of a sad story. Be a very interesting story if Khufu built his for the love a woman, now wouldn't it.

I'll see it one day, Beagle, but its 1000 miles from my Ohio location.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:05 pm

Be a very interesting story if Khufu built his for the love a woman, now wouldn't it.

I'd lose all respect for him if he did.