Page 6 of 13
reply
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:10 pm
by the_historian
This is a perfect illustration of that point, and also why I never believe anything quoted on Wikipedia....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4502846.stm
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:19 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Ah, yes! "Fundamentalism" was the word I was looking for.
Thanks for reminding me.
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 6:53 pm
by Minimalist
Words like "always" and "never" are pointless. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes.
When you read anything it is still your responsibility to evaluate it and analyze it.
Hitler wrote a book. That doesn't make it 'gospel' because it is in print. In fact, considering the inaccuracies in the "gospels" that's probably a bad analogy to begin with.
reply
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:57 am
by the_historian
Minimalist wrote:Words like "always" and "never" are pointless. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes.
But the point is: how would you KNOW when that happens to be?! It requires a frame of reference.
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:34 am
by Minimalist
No, no....if you have a broken clock around one should also have one that works... otherwise you never know what time it is!
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:48 am
by Rokcet Scientist
lol

reply
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:55 pm
by the_historian
yep-the self-same frame of reference!
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:07 pm
by Minimalist
Ok. Let's get back on topic, now.
What about the Olmec they were Pre-Columbian
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:49 am
by Kemet
Can anyone tell me new information on the Olmec society? Or is it a Taboo?
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:16 pm
by Minimalist
Is there any new information on the Olmecs. There has been a great deal of conjecture and one would have to be blind not to see the apparent African likeness in the so-called "heads."
With all the discussions about possible European/Asian maritime contacts in the pre-Columbian era it doesn't take too much of a sense of geography to see that a sea voyage from Africa to South/Central America is far simpler than one from China or Spain. As far as the prevailing winds are concerned, one has only to consider the general drift of hurricanes forming off the West African coast and drifting westward to see how simple it would be for someone to make use of those winds for a voyage to the Americas.
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:09 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
OK, then. Let's venture beyond if. Let's take that as a given for the sake of argument.
Then the next question would be 'when', wouldn't it?
When did they come over? Are there any clues to that maybe?
OK, simpler then: how old is the Olmek head? Any other more or less 'dated' Olmek artifacts? Is there a pattern? A time line? A story even perhaps?
Is there current local Indian lore, oral tradition, that might tie in with anything else of the above? How about old conquistadore records?
Almost forgot: genetic research! Any links there with Africa?
I'm just waiting for someone to scrape everything together dilligently, then step back and overlook the evidence. Eventually the puzzle pieces will fall into place. He or she'll have an "Aha-erlebnis" and may paint us a grand picture of WTF possibly happened there!
Pardon my French.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:01 am
by Minimalist
The Spanish systematically destroyed much of the pre-Columbian written record and archaeologists generally stick their heads in the sand anyway when it comes to folklore.
One also has to wonder if DNA traces would be useful because of all the subsequent 'cross-pollination' as a result of the slave trade.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:36 pm
by Rokcet Scientist
Minimalist wrote:[...] One also has to wonder if DNA traces would be useful because of all the subsequent 'cross-pollination' as a result of the slave trade.
I think they are. Apparently it is technically possible to not only determine and follow mitochondrial lineages, and WHERE they came from, but also WHEN branchings in those lineages occurred. In terms of numbers of generations. That would be a good means of timing.
Would be close enough for me if it were available in this case.
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:37 pm
by Guest
I don't know enough about the technique to be able to answer.
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:39 pm
by Minimalist
sorry. That was me.
Getting like Frank!