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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:10 pm
by stan
OK, thanks for the explanations.
I suppose my question might be:
Is the range a result of an estimation of the dates ( i.e., anywhere between 80 and 200 kbp)...or
the well -established dates of a long period of time.?
If the latter, why can't the artifacts be pinned down to a particular part of the "Sangamonian"?..earlier, later, etc.
THanks again.
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:26 am
by Charlie Hatchett
OK, thanks for the explanations.
I suppose my question might be:
Is the range a result of an estimation of the dates ( i.e., anywhere between 80 and 200 kbp)...or
the well -established dates of a long period of time.?
If the latter, why can't the artifacts be pinned down to a particular part of the "Sangamonian"?..earlier, later, etc.
THanks again.
At Topper, the miniumum has been set at ca. 50,000 B.P. No longer range dates have been released, though I would imagine those analyses are taking, or have taken place. My reason for thinking the terrace containing the artifacts is at least of Sangamonian Interglacial age (80,000-220,000 B.P.), is the heavy amounts of carbonate deposited in the Pleistocene river bed, overlying the terrace. Carbonate usually precipitates out of water during hot, dry periods...certainly not the Wisconsin, which was characterized as very cool and wet time period.
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:50 am
by Beagle
Hi Charlie - it seems to me that there has been good evidence being presented from a number of sites (Calico, Topper, Hueyeltaco, and others), and although the individual results may be disputed aggressively by the orthodox community - sooner or later the "preponderance of the evidence" Horizon will be indisputable.
The history of man in the "New World" seems on very shaky ground right now.
I have done some reading on New World monkeys. Genetically there is a report that they must have come from South Africa 12 million ya. Given that the Atlantic ocean was present then - how the hell did that happen?
Have a good day Charlie.
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:34 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Hi Charlie - it seems to me that there has been good evidence being presented from a number of sites (Calico, Topper, Hueyeltaco, and others), and although the individual results may be disputed aggressively by the orthodox community - sooner or later the "preponderance of the evidence" Horizon will be indisputable.
The history of man in the "New World" seems on very shaky ground right now.
I have done some reading on New World monkeys. Genetically there is a report that they must have come from South Africa 12 million ya. Given that the Atlantic ocean was present then - how the hell did that happen?
Have a good day Charlie. Smile
You have a good day too, Beagle.
I'm about to head down to the site. Had another good rain last night.
I'll keep you guys posted.
Peace
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:13 am
by Minimalist
Good hunting, Charlie.
Calico Site
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:20 pm
by Cognito
I'm about to head down to the site. Had another good rain last night. I'll keep you guys posted.
Good luck, Charlie. I am just about ready to return to my site near Calico now that the snakes are going into hibernation. Artifact pics to follow.
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:00 am
by Beagle
Good to see you here Cognito - I've seen your posts and pics elsewhere. Good hunting and share some pics.
New Season
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:56 am
by Cognito
Good to see you here Cognito - I've seen your posts and pics elsewhere. Good hunting and share some pics.
Thanks, Beags. I'm looking forward to this season, from now until April. My site equipment is ready, digital camera charged, GPS ready, and I have a new truck to tow my trailer out to the site for the weekends when I can make it. Paleo tools are nice, but I would really like to stumble across some bones ...
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:04 am
by Beagle
10-4 on the trailer. I'm an avid camper. Good luck.
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:22 am
by marduk
Good to see you here Cognito
yeah hes only posted here 47 times so far
Posts
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:12 pm
by Cognito
yeah hes only posted here 47 times so far
"Brevity is the soul of wit."
Shakespeare, Hamlet (Act 2, scene 2, 86-92)
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:22 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Good luck, Charlie. I am just about ready to return to my site near Calico now that the snakes are going into hibernation. Artifact pics to follow. Very Happy
Hey Patrick.
Good to see you pop your head above water. I know you've been busy with your family lately (always a good thing)...but I'm ready to see some more of those sweet hand axes you've been finding. So, it looks as if the season is about open again for you there in Ca. Have the snakes officially hybernated yet? The worst snakes we have around here are Diamondbacks or Water Moccasins...not terribly dangerous. Nothing like the Mojaves ya'll have:
Again, good to hear your headed back out. I'm anxious to see what you find over the season.
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:26 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
Good hunting, Charlie.
A late thanks!!
Little crazy lately...in a good way!!
Calico
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:42 pm
by Cognito
Thanks Charlie, it was 32 degrees when I left for work this morning (that's Zed Celcius for you, Marduk), so field expeditions are officially "on" -- and I need to get local Arch approval to return and continue (even though it's private land). Here is what is now hibernating:
The venom kills in about 20 minutes and Loma Linda is about 60 minutes away at best. The only way to survive is quick amputation and I have an aversion to such pain. I'm really looking forward to seeing what flushed out of the hill over the winter.
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:59 pm
by Beagle
Damn Cognito - watch where you step man!