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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:21 am
by oldarchystudent
There is more like 8,000 years of archaeology for which I do not know what the reports say. I am trying to find a synopsis of what has been done to this point, as this is a fascinating site. Until then, or when work at this site wraps up and a final site report is published (those things can run up to 800 odd pages or more) none of us know what was found in the higher stratigraphy.

If I find something I will pass it on to the group.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:33 am
by oldarchystudent
OK I have an answer to my question about dating technique - they are doing radiometric dating on artifacts from site as one of the articles from 1991 mentions it in the title. Not a big surprise but nice to have confirmed.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:41 am
by Guest
Do they say what were the types of the artifacts dated?

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:44 am
by Guest
If there were "8,000 years" of habitation there, the strata with relics for those years would dwarf what has actually been discovered and reported.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:07 am
by oldarchystudent
Genesis Veracity wrote:Do they say what were the types of the artifacts dated?
I haven't seen the actual contents of the article just the title in a catalogue of related articles. I don't know the contents fo the article at all.

If they are doing 14C dating it means organic matter of some kind, animal or plant remains. If this is a dry soil matrix organics can preserve qute well.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:10 am
by Beagle
Hello, Oas, glad you're back.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:24 am
by oldarchystudent
Beagle wrote:Hello, Oas, glad you're back.
Thanks Beagle - good to be back. Let's put that thing behind us and talk about lots and lots of archaeology!

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:03 am
by Guest
Check-out http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/turkey/, same timeframe as Catal Huyuk.

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:15 am
by marduk
Thanks Beagle - good to be back. Let's put that thing behind us and talk about lots and lots of archaeology!
splitter
:lol:

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:18 am
by oldarchystudent
Genesis Veracity wrote:Check-out http://www.archaeology.org/online/features/turkey/, same timeframe as Catal Huyuk.
GV - the comma at the end of the link causes it to fail. Can you edit that out for everyone please?

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:21 am
by Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:47 am
by Minimalist
I guess this belongs best here instead of in its own thread. More decorated skulls, this time even earlier in Syria.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060924/sc ... MlJVRPUCUl

DAMASCUS (AFP) - Archaeologists said they had uncovered decorated human skulls dating back as long as 9,500 years ago from a burial site near the Syrian capital Damascus.

"The human skulls date back between 9,500 and 9,000 years ago, (on which) lifelike faces were modelled with clay earth ... then coloured to accentuate the features," said Danielle Stordeur, head of the joint French-Syrian archaeological mission behind the discovery.
This "skull decorating culture" seems to have been widely spread for quite some time.

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:54 am
by Minimalist
Genesis Veracity wrote:Min, one of your problems is that southern Iran was known as Elam circa 2000 B.C., and the northern Levant was Hittite country, and the Holy Land was known as Canaan circa 2000 B.C., so how'd the Bible get all that right?

Why? They sat around in the Babylon National Library plagiarizing god stories for the bible they were writing. I'm sure there was a "geography" section nearby.

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:39 am
by marduk
the Hittite empire was founded by Hattusili I around 1650–1620 BC
and the bible gets geography right since when
Moses takes 40 years to cover 800 miles of desert (20 miles a year)
and Jonah gets from the coast to Nineveh in 24 hours on foot (average speed) 33.3 mph

the only area the Bible gets the geography right is the area in which its fiction is set
and thats hardly surprising is it.
you were expecting maybe a group of slaves in Babylon in 550bce not to know the surrounding area between where they were taken and where they were taken from

God loves his chosen people doesn't he
enslaved by the egyptians
enslaved by the babylonians
theres some kind of link here
did you ever consider that this God just likes the people who worship him to be slaves
:lol:

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:51 am
by oldarchystudent
This should sound familiar...

http://www.ttc.org/200609241343.k8odht419690.htm
9,500-YEAR-OLD DECORATED SKULLS FOUND IN SYRIA
Received Sunday, 24 September 2006 13:43:00 GMT
DAMASCUS, Sept 24, 2006 (AFP) - Archaeologists said Sunday they had uncovered decorated human skulls dating back as long as 9,500 years ago from a burial site near the Syrian capital Damascus.
"The human skulls date back between 9,500 and 9,000 years ago, (on which) lifelike faces were modelled with clay earth ... then coloured to accentuate the features," said Danielle Stordeur, head of the joint French-Syrian archaeological mission behind the discovery.
Located at a burial site near a prehistoric village, the five skulls were found earlier this month in a pit resting against one another, underneath the remains of an infant, said Stordeur.
The French archaeologist described as "extraordinary" the find at the Neolithic site of Tell Aswad, at Jaidet al-Khass village, 35 kilometres (22 miles) from Damascus.
The discovery was not the first of its kind in the Middle East, but "the realism of two of these skulls is striking," stressed Stordeur, in charge of the excavation along with Bassam Jamous, the chief of antiquities of Syria's National Museum.
"They surprise by the regularity and the smoothness of their features," Stordeur said of the skulls.
"The eyes are shown as closed, underlined by black bitumen. The nose is straight and fine, with a pinched base to portray the nostrils.
"The mouth is reduced to a slit," said Stordeur, of the Asian research house of the National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS), France's largest scientific establishment.
The decorated skulls were devoted "only to important individuals, chosen according to social or religious criteria," she added.