Giza

[Minimalist]

It's the "tombs-and-tombs-only" gang that has caused most of their own problems, Digit. The cathedrals of Europe took centuries to build and they had block and tackle and steel tools.

If the pyramids were built as tribute to the arrogance of individual monarchs then they had to be completed within a single life span. Further, it is unreasonable to believe that they could have started before that pharoah was on the throne. If the single life-span theory holds then you are into the whole "place one stone every two minutes" routine...and they had no idea if Pharoah would even live that long because life was a bitch back then and even pharoah did not have access to anti-biotics.

Now, most of the non-Giza pyramids in Egypt have dissolved into piles of rubble which testifies to the fact that they were not built as well as the Giza pyramids (there are photos somewhere....probably in this thread...).
Most of the non-Giza pyramids were built from smaller stones and nowhere near the size of the Giza pyramids.

Knock out the idea that they were built as tombs and you remove the necessity for the 20 year limitation in building them. Of course, that still leaves the question of what the hell were they?

[Digit]

I covered those same points a couple of screens ago Min. The images posted by Marduk look feasible, and bloody dangerous! Using that technique, or multiple ramps, the 2 minute average time would be possible, even if it took a day to get an individual block to the working level.
The simplicity of the image posted by Marduk can only be for demonstration of the principle, as a working blue print it's a non starter.
If I was tasked with the job, and had to use a single ramp, I would want that ramp as wide as possible so that one part could be being raised whilst the other part was working. Stopping construction to raise a ramp would soon reduce placement time to seconds on the assumed 20 yr time scale.

[Forum Monk]

Nice graphic Marduk.

Well Digit, like I said before, something is skewing the equation. Either the time frame or the number of blocks. I don't believe they set a block every two minutes or less.

1) the project was a religious mandate and so spans generations (remember when I suggested that?)

2) there are far fewer than 2.3million blocks. This number is routinely cited without question. But who determined it? What about this:

http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm

According to Socrates G. Taseos, the actual number of stones used to build the Great Pyramid is only 590,712. In his book Back in Time 3104 B.C. to the Great Pyramid- Egyptians Broke Their Backs to Build It- How the Great Pyramid Was Really Built he presents results of his computer calculations.

[Digit]

Hi Monk. As I understand it the block placement time is based on a 20yr constuction time. This is based on the estimate of how long Khufu reigned. I have seen figures for his reign from 20yrs to 50yrs.
Further, this is all based on the assumption that the Great Pyramid was constructed either for, or on the orders of, Khufu.
There is actually no firm evidence for any of these assumptions.
Remove Khufu from these equations and the entire plot changes.
Where's me tin 'at again?

[marduk]

This is based on the estimate of how long Khufu reigned

no its based on a claim by Herodotus made 2000 years after the pyramid was completed

I have seen figures for his reign from 20yrs to 50yrs.

Khufu 2589–2566bce (23 years)

either for, or on the orders of, Khufu.
There is actually no firm evidence for any of these assumptions.

The Pyramid is referred to as "Khufu's Horizon" in contemporary egyptian texts
it used to have a mortuary temple in front of it which was dedicated to Khufu
hieroglyphs naming it as Khufus have been found inside it chalked there by a work gang who cut the block
this is hardly no firm evidence
have you been reading pseudohistorians again Digit

Where's me tin 'at again?

its under the bed your wife has been using it as a pot

[Digit]

There is a building in Ayelsbury known as 'Fred's Folly'.
That does not of course prove that he constructed it.
The Egyptian kings were not renowned for modesty, if Khufu had it constructed I would expect his name in 6ft glpyhs, like Rameses did.
Khufu apparently translates as 'The God Khnum protects me', such lettering scrawled by a workman in the roof space sounds more like a prayer by someone who didn't like confined spaces than an advert by a God King. Or 'Kilroy was here?'
There is apparently a record that Khufu had the pyramid repaired, if he had had it built and it needed repair that early, I suspect he would have collected his builder's private parts rather than tell the world about it.
He having it repaired would also account for the two ramps that were on the south face.
This infers that it was built long before Khufu.
All this info from Google Marduk, not those out of date books that you keep mentioning.

[Minimalist]

There is apparently a record that Khufu had the pyramid repaired,

The Inventory Stele....the Club can work itself into fits denying its authenticity.

Then they ascribe the Sphinx to Khafre because someone saw one syllable of his name on a stele which has eroded to the point where no one can read it any longer.


They also fail to see the irony in the distinctions they make!

[Beagle]

The mans' name was Cheops. Khufu is a title.

[marduk]

really
Khufu is his name in egyptian and Cheops his name in greek last time i checked
did you hear that anywhere credible or are you making it up as you go along
again

[Minimalist]

The mans' name was Cheops. Khufu is a title.

Actually, Beags...according to none other than Zahi himself...

The Turin Papyrus mentioned that he ruled for 23 years after the reign of his father Snefru. His real name was Khnum-Khufwy,

http://guardians.net/hawass/khufu.htm


Of course, he's not responsible for his own name....one would have to be a real arrogant ass to name himself after a god, wouldn't he?

[marduk]

Of course, he's not responsible for his own name....one would have to be a real arrogant ass to name himself after a god, wouldn't he?

totally
thats why Marduk is a babylonian name and not a god
whereas Bel is a determinative which means lord
so only Bel Marduk is a god
tell me min
do you think everyone in mexico named Jesus thinks they are the messiah
you guys crack me up
you keep falling into these holes because you have no knowledge at all about anything worthwhile
you spend ages reading about crap and think its gold dust
you're so paranoid about the club Min
but please
show me some evidence that every person who has ever studied for an archaeology degree agreed to keep the secret history or mankind a secret would ya
or shut up
because its insulting to professionals that you don't value them because they bothered to do something you are incapable of
i.e. study and have commitment to the truth

[Digit]

How the Hell do they get that to Cheops I wonder?

[Beagle]

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/03/2 ... 0320100000

March 20, 2007 — Doors will soon open to reveal one of the mysteries of the Great Pyramid in Giza, Dr. Zahi Hawass, chief of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, told Discovery News in an exclusive interview.
Hawass, one of the world's leading Egyptologists, said he will show what lies behind secret doors inside the 4,500-year-old pharaonic mausoleum by the end of this year.

"Finally, people all over the world will know what is behind the second door in the southern shaft and the third door in the northern shaft," Hawass said.

It seems that every couple of months, ZH has a press conference and reminds us that he is really going to open these doors. Maybe it will be on pay per view TV.

From the Daily Grail.

[kbs2244]

Your guy Herodotus would feel right at home in D C
Note the weasle word "possibly"
He was as much in the dark as we are.
He was just blowing smoke and trying to sell books.

[Minimalist]

Anyone remember Geraldo Rivera and "Al Capone's Vault?"

Hawass is getting just like that.