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Thanks Paul and welcome to the forum. That's a pretty extensive explanation, and very informative.

My original question, however, was about the pic that Doug posted that made no sense to me and did not offer an explanation of why it was posted. Someone then said that Os had claimed to have this type of pavement on the "pyramid"

Lots of claims are made in this room and I don't post in it that much. Most of the pictures show what seems to be a natural concretion but a few are interesting. :)
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Oh, they CAN'T have moved that much dirt that quickly!
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Can anyone translate Bosnian (and mortar)

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Minimalist wrote:I actually had never heard of the Egyptian pyramids using mortar before the comments attributed to Barakat. IF I were interested enough I'd go looking around to confirm that.
They did use a type of mortar, in fact they've been dated by the organic components of that mortar.

But that doesn't mean Barakat is right.

What is worrying is that I have seen photos of bits of real ruins dug up from the 'Pyramid of the Sun' where we know the Romans, for instance, built. I will bet that they are not keeping the information archaeologists need, sketches, exact locations of everything they find, etc.

Can anyone translate Bosnian?
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The Egyptians used gypsum mortar ... it was what was used by Mark Lehner to date the GP by C14 (charcoal bits in the mortar you see).
After checking for a while it seems that Lehner dated the Great Pyramid to 374 yrs before Khufu. Later tests came closer but still outside current accepted dates. His conclusion is that very old wood had been used that had been stored by the Egyptians.
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Anthony Harding secret and incongnito mission in Bosnian hart.
Ha ha ha...
What is going on...we are witnesing in life latest chapter from Indiana Jones?
Mr Harding have allready make some stupid and defenitely negative moves ,wich have just lay more fuel in the fire.
First we all know that Archeologist are not in Geological business,or here we have all mixed hats?
The same reason that Geologists still battling the basic questions from both sides abouth the nature of some blocks,it is enough for archeologists to stay away for now.Exept if someone want to go to the tunel to research
marked findings on the rock wich are cleary human production and wich cannot be dated and the rock is big and deep in the tunel ... .

Up until now there are no proof for archeologists involvment.What we have seen there are some stones,wich are discutable and disputable for
geologists.Man made or product of nature it is question of the geologists?

If there have been some evidence from human intervention on the scale wich have been proposed from Mr Sam,then there should be in close proximity cultural sign of culture wich have builded these hills.
That is mising from the represented findings up till now.

What I see something it is pavement.Most links wich have been previously posted cannot be applyed on the pavement .There are sedimentary and geomorphological reason wich can be seen from other pictures for this location wich contradict any posibility these to be natural craks based on some presure points.
Of course that it is posible if there are have been volcano and basalt have gone in to the lake before geomorphological changes in the area
wich have made hills in surounding area.But if I have to chose between
natural or human intervention based on the smoll exavated area,of course that will be speculation.In this case I am chosing more simplest explanation that these pavements are man made.
For previous explanation about calcination bettwen rocks...again speculations.One thing is calcination,another is that wich Mr Egypt is trying to explain to public.That white misterious stuf have been previously
shown on some pictures ,and what have been shown is Not calcination.
Probably it is misidentification of the "White stuf" with another picture wich have shown calcination cracks.We have to see analys of the stuf and then to comment.
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Beagle wrote:
The Egyptians used gypsum mortar ... it was what was used by Mark Lehner to date the GP by C14 (charcoal bits in the mortar you see).
After checking for a while it seems that Lehner dated the Great Pyramid to 374 yrs before Khufu. Later tests came closer but still outside current accepted dates. His conclusion is that very old wood had been used that had been stored by the Egyptians.
Lehner was just a member of the team. An article on their 2nd report is here:
http://www.archaeology.org/9909/abstracts/pyramids.html

with more detail here:
http://www.aeraweb.org/how_old.asp

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I just knew that goddamn picture would come in handy someday.
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His conclusion is that very old wood had been used that had been stored by the Egyptians.


That is the kind of shit that drive me nuts about Egyptologists!


So they stored up wood for 4 centuries because they knew that Khufu would need it and the other pharoahs who were ruling and building things in the meantime could go screw themselves?

Lehner is the same guy who ventured outside his field to try to show that the erosion on the sphinx was due to salt being leeched out of the sphinx by ground water.
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i would like to make a request: if you post a picture (besides that digging machine) would you please post WHY you did so, so the rest of us do not have to guess as to your motives. thank you
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Minimalist wrote:
His conclusion is that very old wood had been used that had been stored by the Egyptians.
That is the kind of shit that drive me nuts about Egyptologists!

So they stored up wood for 4 centuries because they knew that Khufu would need it and the other pharoahs who were ruling and building things in the meantime could go screw themselves?

Lehner is the same guy who ventured outside his field to try to show that the erosion on the sphinx was due to salt being leeched out of the sphinx by ground water.
No, it wasn't Lehner, it was a couple of geologists. Lehner may have used their work, I'm not sure, but I could give you cites to the geological papers that argue that position.

You are quoting what a poster here wrote, not any of the actual articles I linked to.

The article on my 2nd link says:
"It may have been premature to dismiss the old wood problem in our 1984 study. Radiocarbon dating can only tell us when a tree died, not when it was last used. Wood may lay around for centuries before being burned, especially in a dry climate like Egypt.

Also, any living forest or stand of trees will have old trees and very young shoots. Any individual tree will have old parts (the inner rings) and very young parts (the outer rings and small branches).

Do our radiocarbon dates reflect the Old Kingdom deforestation of Egypt?

Did the pyramid builders exploit whatever wood they could harvest?

Or did they have to scavenge for wood to burn tons of gypsum for mortar, to forge copper chisels, and to bake bread for thousands of assembled laborers?

The giant stone pyramids in the early Old Kingdom may mark a major depletion of Egypt's exploitable wood. This may be the reason for the wide scatter and history-unfriendly radiocarbon dating results from the Old Kingdom.

While the multiple old-wood effects make it difficult to obtain pinpoint age estimates of pyramids, the David H. Koch Pyramids Radiocarbon Project now has us thinking about forest ecologies, site formation processes, and ancient industry and its environmental impact—in sum, the society and economy that left the Egyptian pyramids as hallmarks for all later humanity."

No suggestion there anyone stored it for later use.
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archaeologist wrote:i would like to make a request: if you post a picture (besides that digging machine) would you please post WHY you did so, so the rest of us do not have to guess as to your motives. thank you
topic is called photos, make ure own captions.
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Re: Can anyone translate Bosnian (and mortar)

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DougWeller wrote: What is worrying is that I have seen photos of bits of real ruins dug up from the 'Pyramid of the Sun' where we know the Romans, for instance, built.
One of the problems is that there are real archaeological sites with real man-made, i.e. Roman, structures lie on the hills being dug up. Thus, the Bosnian "pyramids", as visualized and interpreted by Sam Osmanagich, are chimeras, much like Archaeoraptor, composed of unrelated parts, i.e. jointed bedrock and man-made tunnels. In this case, the supporters have no real evidence that the tunnels, possibly ancient copper mines, and real man-made structures are connected specifically with the hills, which they claim to be pyramids, in any direct way. They are making assumptions about such connections and then claiming them to be fact without any real evidence.
Doug also wrote:I will bet that they are not keeping the information archaeologists need, sketches, exact locations of everything they find, etc.
This is the primary reason that the majority of conventional archaeologists are concerned about the digging done by Sam Osmanagich. Nobody worries about the "research" being done by Greg Little on the Bimini Wall because no conventional archaeologist accepts it as being man-made. As long as alternative archaeologists are not trashing real archaeological sites in their work and wasting only their time and money, conventional archaeologists (and geologists) have better things to do with their time to comment on every psuedoarchaeological site, which appears on the Internet and are quite content to let them work away undisturbed.

Howwever, in case of Sam Osmanagich, he is digging a hill with numerous and extremely significant archaeological sites on it. He has the potential to, and quite possibly is doing, significant damage to some important archaeological deposits. Looking at the pictures so far posted, especially one photograph of a skeleton that was so-called "excavated", the so-called "excavations" look more like holes made by pothunters and relict collectors, which I have seen in Louisiana, than anything approaching a scientific excavation. The point of real concern is that real and significant archaeological sites are being trashed and damaged by the utterly haphazard and seemingly uncontrolled digging that is being done in the search for what are quite likely imaginary pyramids. If there were not any real archaeological deposits of any significance on the hills being dug up, conventional archaeologists would be far, far less concerned by what Sam Osmanagich, is engaged. If there were **not** any significant archaeological deposits on the hills, which are being dug up by him, the vast majority of archaeologists likely would simply ignored what he is doing. Conventional archaeologists and geologists in general have much more important and pressing ways to use their time than to get into long and involved discussions about a claim that an outcrop of jointed bedrock in Oklahoma is a Phonecian Fortress or sandstone dikes in Rockwall, Texas are the remains of long lost city unless there is some good reason to do so.

Yours,

Paul
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