"Land Bridge" theory?

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:56 am

And probaly a lot of success's that we haven't found or admitted to. IE the NA hand axe!

Bruce, it should probably be named the North American Non-Existent Hand Axe, don't you think?

Mayonaze · Post by **Mayonaze** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:26 pm

During lunch I happened on the USGS link below and saw mention of clovis-like points at a site in Yana, Siberia that were dated around 27K BP. Did a search but saw no mention of it on any of the other Archaeologica threads. I apologize if this ground has been plowed before.

http://esp.cr.usgs.gov/research/alaska/alaskaC.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... umans.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=3855039&p1=0

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... s=14704419

Cognito · Post by **Cognito** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:13 pm

During lunch I happened on the USGS link below and saw mention of clovis-like points at a site in Yana, Siberia that were dated around 27K BP. Did a search but saw no mention of it on any of the other Archaeologica threads.

The way I read the article the items are referred to as Clovis-like tools. We may have looked at a Siberian point earlier on this site that was touted to be Clovis, but looked nothing like it. Shaft resemblance and items made from bone outside of the Clovis timeframe by 17K years isn't very convincing.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:58 pm

Cognito wrote:
During lunch I happened on the USGS link below and saw mention of clovis-like points at a site in Yana, Siberia that were dated around 27K BP. Did a search but saw no mention of it on any of the other Archaeologica threads.
The way I read the article the items are referred to as Clovis-like tools. We may have looked at a Siberian point earlier on this site that was touted to be Clovis, but looked nothing like it. Shaft resemblance and items made from bone outside of the Clovis timeframe by 17K years isn't very convincing.

Here's some of the Yana River artifacts:

I agree, Pat, shaft resemblance isn't very convincing. Neanderthals had bone foreshafts:

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:59 pm

Would you eagerly hunt a pissed-off walrus with a rock-tipped spear from a kayak?

Or a Great White Shark? Or a sperm whale?
I think not. They're dangerous! They fight back!
So quite to the contrary, I submit people avoided those big animals as much as they could, not chase them!
I think the settlers of the Americas – starting with Erectus – vastly preferred to 'hunt' very calory rich prey that could NOT run away, and could NOT fight back: penguins! (And Great Auks).
Penguins live on the ice edge. So, in the ice age the settlers simply followed their food and automatically ended up on the next continent.
It may also explain why penguins went extinct in the northern hemisphere. Their remaining cousins all sport some measure of flight, literally, however shaky, with which they managed to 'flee' their hunters. And so managed to survive until today.

It does NOT explain that spear point, though . . .

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:30 pm

Nice pics. Looks like a trident in the one pic and its use seems common among sea-farers. Yeah, they may have learned soon enough to be careful around sharks or sperm whales, but I have no doubt in my mind they hunted them. Especially other, less agressive sea mammals. And sperm whales would have been fair game as well when pickings were slim.

Post by **Minimalist** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:47 pm

A few of those look fairly close to what you are picking up, Charlie.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:02 pm

Looks like a trident in the one pic and its use seems common among sea-farers

You talking about the first image? I wonder if those suckers were all connected?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:11 pm

A few of those look fairly close to what you are picking up, Charlie.

Sure do...A and C particularly. I'm still looking at them.

Forum Monk · Post by **Forum Monk** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:20 pm

Charlie Hatchett wrote:
Looks like a trident in the one pic and its use seems common among sea-farers
You talking about the first image? I wonder if those suckers were all connected?

yes. The first image. But iirc your implements were metal, weren't they?

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Tue May 15, 2007 4:41 am

Forum Monk wrote:
Charlie Hatchett wrote:
Looks like a trident in the one pic and its use seems common among sea-farers
You talking about the first image? I wonder if those suckers were all connected?
yes. The first image. But iirc your implements were metal, weren't they?

Yes sir.

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/v ... ndaxesinus

I haven't found the third point to date, but you can see where it cracked off.

Mayonaze · Post by **Mayonaze** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:07 am

Penguins extinct in the northern hemisphere? Were they ever there?

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:14 am

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Thu May 17, 2007 8:42 am

Mayonaze wrote:
Penguins extinct in the northern hemisphere? Were they ever there?

Digit wrote:
No.

Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Auk

Post by **Minimalist** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:08 am

Ah ha! So is an Auk a Penguin?

What does the Club have to say on the issue?

Archaeologica.org

"Land Bridge" theory?

Hand Axes

Clovis-like

Re: Clovis-like