Contact Early Possible European Descendants

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:48 am

Erectus Ahoy:

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20031018/bob8.asp

Boats painted on Spanish caves by Solutreans:

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.co ... nboats.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/GreenmanA.pdf

Plate 8

Even one with a sail.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:58 am

Thanks for that Charley. Case proved.

One of those boats looks remarkably like the open boat as used by the Innuit as well.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:59 am

Digit wrote:Thanks for that Charley. Case proved.

Well, I wouldn't say case proved, but certainly seems plausible.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:03 am

As much proof as we are ever like to get Charley.
It tends to annoy me that people think the only people with brains are those alive today.

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:03 am

Minimalist wrote:
Rokcet Scientist wrote:
Minimalist wrote:Do you have a decent internet connection, R/S?
DSL: 8 mbps downstream, 1,5 mbps upstream.

I'll send you a National Geographic special that was recently done on this issue....assuming I can find it.

It will come with instructions on how to download the plug in. It's a service called pando which allows for really large e-mail attachments.

Anyway, the show deals with this very issue.

Pando's been crashing on me, the past few days when I tried to upload an 800MB video. I got the impression the prob is with their website rather than with my hard- or software.
Maybe downloading works better.
I'll wait.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:15 am

I had a period when it wasn't working terribly well either. It was a firewall issue that seems to have been resolved when my AV program issued a patch.

I'm loading it up now. Give it a while.

kbs2244 · Post by **kbs2244** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:24 am

I have always thought there was a Global Economy befor Spain and Portugal.
Even today, you cannot beat a boat for moving the most cargo the greatest distance for the leat effort.
I never thought about Bamboo rafts. I did know about reed boats in the Mediterranean Sea and Indian Ocean, and the balsa rafts of the S A Pacific.
But they make perfect sense for the same reason. Big wave hits boat, boat fills with water and sinks. Big wave hits raft, water falls through cracks and raft keeps on going.

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:27 am

Apparently Prehistoric Americans is still on their server, Rokcet. You can just download it.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:27 am

Yep KB! Our ancestors weren't as daft as some think.

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:45 am

Minimalist wrote:Apparently Prehistoric Americans is still on their server, Rokcet. You can just download it.

Got a link?
Couldn't find it on their website.
(Somehow I've got the feeling I've already seen it. Not sure)

Post by **Minimalist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:11 am

I sent the e-mail already.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:35 pm

As much proof as we are ever like to get Charley.

An in situ, 20,000 B.P. boat recovery from Spain or France would cinch the case (one like 151, plate 8 in Greenman's paper above).

Hell, a 20,000 B.P. boat recovery in N.A., with 4-5 Solutrean points in the same context would be very cool.

I'm keeping my eyes open.

Digit · Post by **Digit** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:42 pm

Somebody would still swear blind it it was 'case not proven' Charley.

Charlie Hatchett · Post by **Charlie Hatchett** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:49 pm

Digit wrote:Somebody would still swear blind it it was 'case not proven' Charley.

True. Fiedel comes to mind...

But the majority would stop and take note.

Rokcet Scientist · Post by **Rokcet Scientist** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:39 pm

Charlie Hatchett wrote:
Digit wrote:Thanks for that Charley. Case proved.
Well, I wouldn't say case proved, but certainly seems plausible.

It certainly points that way, Charlie. (Only saw it just now). Very interesting. Of course Bali to Flores isn't Timor to Oz. But then, with much lower sea levels, the straits would have been much narrower too. Far less seaborn distance to cover = easier. On the other hand: narrower channels could also have caused VERY much stronger currents and tides = barriers.
Looking at Google Earth I'd say H. Erectus or Sapiens needed to island hop along the Indonesian islands, but could walk across from New Guinea to Oz.

On this screenshot it is abundantly clear that lower sealevels meant there was a 100 miles wide land bridge between New Guinea and Oz.

So everybody and the kitchen sink, the whole tribe, including kids, old people, the goats, and the mother-in-law, could come along to the promised land. To settle in, and colonize, the new continent.

And of course the Solutrean boat cave paintings only amplify the possibility that they reached America. But since most of those cave paintings have very widely varying ages: how old were those boat paintings exactly?