Pokotia Monolith

[Beagle]

I'm sorry but I don't understand for a second what you're saying.
This is about the Pokotia Monolith. You're telling me about Africa. If a comment I made about Olmecs prompts this, we're no where near talking about that now.

I'd like to keep this more linear. In fact, I'd like to trash this whole thread tomorrow, and do it without any insanity.

We won't get out of Bolivia for a while.

[marduk]

your interpretation of the inscription of the pokotia monolith only works if the language is of african origin
it isn't
do you understand now
its not difficult is it

I understand why you may be in bolivia for some time
you don't know much about the region
I however have studied it extensively from very credible sources as I'm sure you're glad to hear
so we might be able to rush through it rather quickly
provided you can keep up

[Beagle]

Do you have to spend all your time trying to convince people that you're very smart and an expert? It is all you do you know. Imagine your reaction to some nut like that.
G'night

[marduk]

Do you have to spend all your time trying to convince people that you're not very smart and an expert? It is all you do you know. Imagine your reaction to some nut like that.

[Sam Salmon]

Do you two ever sleep?
Give it up FCS!!!

[Beagle]

Thank you Sam. You're right of course.

Steve, I'm going back to ignoring you. I'm not going to read your posts or give you a second thought.
I suggest you do the same with me. Harassing me when you know I'm not reading you is cowardice.

Forget I'm here.

[Minimalist]

Best way to deal with the Attention Whore syndrome, Beags.

[Cognito]

he used Proto sumerian as a decipherment key using the vrai language of west africa as a basis for translation
this is only going to work if both the pokotia monolith and also the sumerians were originally from west africa
iirc Dr Winters is the only person I know of who believes this is the homeland of the Sumerians

Ah, shit ... I thought the Sumerians came from the Planet Nibiru!

By the way my father-in-law is Bolivian, being from the Quechua tribe (whose ruler was the Inca). Although a very intelligent man who is fluent in three languages (English, Spanish & Quechua) he ain't no Sumerian.

[Beagle]

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/poko2.htm

The area where the Pokotia monument was found is a center of archaeological activity. In this area archaeologist have found numerous sites where pyramidial figures resembling ziggurats. These figures are expertly discussed by M. E. Moseley, The Incas and their ancestors (N.Y.: Thames and Hudson,2000). These ancient sites include Pukara at the northern end of Lake Titicaca, and Chiripa and Wankarani in Bolivia

More on the translation of the monolith.

[Minimalist]

The site of Pokotia is around 10 km south of Tiahuanaco (Tiwanaku). These insrcriptions are very interesting because they support the Fuente Magna evidence that the Sumerians formerly lived in South America.

That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

[Beagle]

Could be. It's hard to find anything on Pakotia that doesn't include the Fuente Magna.

I think that's Winters talking.

[Beagle]

http://www.reedboat.org/Tiwanaku/tiwanaku.html

The prehistoric city of Tiwanaku, on the southern shore of Bolivia’s famous Lake Titicaca, was abandoned around 1000 AD, some 400 years before the Inca established their Andean empire. The heyday of this city was between A.D. 500 and 950, during which religious artifacts from the city spread across the southern Andes, but when the conquering Inka arrived in the mid-fifteenth century, the site had been mysteriously abandoned for half a millennium. Even after its abandonment, Tiwanaku continued to be an important religious site for the local people and the Inka Empire, and it is still an integral part of the religious lives of Andean people in the turbulent present of modern Bolivia. Its monumental ruins have often been compared to Stonehenge in that no one knows how an ancient civilization could have made them

For a little context, this is an article on Tiwanaku, which is a little over 6 miles from where the monolith was found. There is also a picture of one of the statues of Tiwanaku, and the resemblance is pretty obvious.

[Minimalist]

It would be easier to accept that a crew of Sumerian sailors (or at least people who had knowledge of Sumerian script) ended up shipwrecked in South America and either wrote it themselves or taught the locals how to write.

That's a far cry from suggesting that Sumerian culture originated in South America and somehow transplanted itself. They'd need evidence of this culture prior to the establishment of Sumerian civilization in the M/E.

Just MHO.

[Beagle]

There is not enough facts available for me to form a strong opinion yet.
What we have are two artifacts with what seems to be Sumerian writing.

The Pokotia monolith resembles the other religious statues in the area.
That's really about all there is.

The translation on both of them ring true though. For instance the translation on Pokotia does not read "Kilroy was here". It sounds like something one would expect to find on an oracle. Same with the libation bowl.

Beyond accepting the translation and Winters description of them as Sumerian, I don't have any firm opinions.

[Beagle]

http://history-world.org/sumeria.htm

During the 5th millennium BC a people known as the Ubaidians established settlements in the region known later as Sumer; these settlements gradually developed into the chief Sumerian cities, namely Adab, Eridu, Isin, Kish, Kullab, Lagash, Larsa, Nippur, and Ur. Several centuries later, as the Ubaidian settlers prospered, Semites from Syrian and Arabian deserts began to infiltrate, both as peaceful immigrants and as raiders in quest of booty. After about 3250 BC, another people migrated from its homeland, located probably northeast of Mesopotamia, and began to intermarry with the native population. The newcomers, who became known as Sumerians, spoke an agglutinative language unrelated apparently to any other known language.

However, Min, I find this quote interesting.