Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:17 pm
Agree with Frank------tool marks? -------Dropped coffee cup? ------Toothbrush?------Been following the exit of the Black Sea people. Think this is the Noah thing.
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Frank Harrist wrote:I agree that the black sea inundation was probably the inspiration for the flood myth. It makes sense to me.
(Edited because I have these big old fingertips that hit more than one key at a time.)
Yakima (Washington):
In early times, many people had gone to war with other tribes; even medicine men had killed people. But there were still some good people. One of the good men heard from the Land Above that a big water was coming. He told the other good people, and they decided they would make a dugout boat from the largest cedar they could find. Soon after the canoe was finished, the flood came, filling the valleys and covering the mountains. The bad people were drowned; the good people were saved in the boat. We don't know how long the flood stayed. The canoe came down where it was built and can still be seen on the east side of Toppenish Ridge. The earth will be destroyed by another flood if people do wrong a second time. [Clark, p. 45]
Frank Harrist wrote:No. There was a similar flood in that area. I'll have to find it and show you. I'm not sure exactly when or where it was, but a glacial lake burst it's ice dam and flooded a good portion of the northwest at some point. Sorry to be so vague, but I can't remember the details. If I forget to research it, you remind me, Bob.
Choctaw (Mississippi):
A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird (a crow) and blessed the bluish one (a dove). [Gaster, p. 116]
'm getting to hate photography of archaeological sites. It all starts to look like a Rohrschact test after a while.
maybe you want to see thisCiko, I'd like to see more pictures (thanks for these), but how about only the good ones?
For example, I like the one that shows the guy squatting over the straight-line joint
between the big slabs. It shows scale as well as a perhaps significant structural
feature.
I do not dispute that there are flood myths all over the world. I can explain some, but the explanations for some are yet to be determined. As for the missionaries burning them at the stake, well lots of cultures incorporated their own beliefs into the christian teachings. In south america especially the christian faith has many things from their old religion incorporated into it. They kinda did it on the sly sometimes, but you can still see it even today. Also I do not believe that the Choctaw myth originally included the word "dolorously", so it had to have been re-written by someone. Things that are re-written are often re-interpreted. This myth may just have been the Choctaw version of the flood myth they heard from the missionaries.Minimalist wrote:Frank Harrist wrote:No. There was a similar flood in that area. I'll have to find it and show you. I'm not sure exactly when or where it was, but a glacial lake burst it's ice dam and flooded a good portion of the northwest at some point. Sorry to be so vague, but I can't remember the details. If I forget to research it, you remind me, Bob.
Perhaps the Choctaw were influenced by both the Yakima and Black Sea?
Choctaw (Mississippi):
A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird (a crow) and blessed the bluish one (a dove). [Gaster, p. 116]