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Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:17 pm
by gunny
Agree with Frank------tool marks? -------Dropped coffee cup? ------Toothbrush?------Been following the exit of the Black Sea people. Think this is the Noah thing.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:19 pm
by Frank Harrist
I agree that the black sea inundation was probably the inspiration for the flood myth. It makes sense to me.

(Edited because I have these big old fingertips that hit more than one key at a time.)

tvarcheology

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:01 pm
by stan
Because of problems with current supply, the live video stream from the bosnian pyramids will start within the next few days. Then everyone will have the possibility to watch the excavations online.


I seem to remember reading that the anti-Osmanegic forces say that there
were known neolithic burials up there...so maybe this is
neolithic stonework.
(They also accuse Os of spiriting away human remains he already
found up there. They say that this is all a plot to turn Bosnia into
a Taliban-like Muslim state.)

http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/news.htm ... /news.html

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:32 pm
by gunny
Taliban? In my area in the hills it would be like the movie---"Red Dawn" We all are armed and have stakes with red flags out to 1000 meters. A jackrabbit approaching our hills would not survive. We need more food and water however.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:37 pm
by Minimalist
Frank Harrist wrote:I agree that the black sea inundation was probably the inspiration for the flood myth. It makes sense to me.

(Edited because I have these big old fingertips that hit more than one key at a time.)


Do you think that the Yakima Indians in Washington State heard about the Black Sea flood?
Yakima (Washington):
In early times, many people had gone to war with other tribes; even medicine men had killed people. But there were still some good people. One of the good men heard from the Land Above that a big water was coming. He told the other good people, and they decided they would make a dugout boat from the largest cedar they could find. Soon after the canoe was finished, the flood came, filling the valleys and covering the mountains. The bad people were drowned; the good people were saved in the boat. We don't know how long the flood stayed. The canoe came down where it was built and can still be seen on the east side of Toppenish Ridge. The earth will be destroyed by another flood if people do wrong a second time. [Clark, p. 45]

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:05 pm
by Frank Harrist
No. There was a similar flood in that area. I'll have to find it and show you. I'm not sure exactly when or where it was, but a glacial lake burst it's ice dam and flooded a good portion of the northwest at some point. Sorry to be so vague, but I can't remember the details. If I forget to research it, you remind me, Bob.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:15 pm
by gunny
If Ballard would get his shit together and search the eastern and northeastern areas of the Black Sea neolithic river gorges he might find something. This looking near Turkey makes no since.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:07 pm
by Minimalist
Frank Harrist wrote:No. There was a similar flood in that area. I'll have to find it and show you. I'm not sure exactly when or where it was, but a glacial lake burst it's ice dam and flooded a good portion of the northwest at some point. Sorry to be so vague, but I can't remember the details. If I forget to research it, you remind me, Bob.

Perhaps the Choctaw were influenced by both the Yakima and Black Sea?
Choctaw (Mississippi):
A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird (a crow) and blessed the bluish one (a dove). [Gaster, p. 116]

fludz

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:29 pm
by stan
Bob, I think you are having us on...
:?

Unless the missionaries got to these tribes, is is possible that, in addition to the flood Frank is talking about (which I saw on TV!!)
these myths refer to the closing of the Bering land bridge....

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:10 pm
by Minimalist
Indulge yourself.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html



(PS, those good christian missionaries would have burned Indians at the stake for adhering to their clearly satanic tales....as opposed to the bible version which, as any idiot can tell you, is the total truth.)

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:23 pm
by stan
Minimalist wrote:
'm getting to hate photography of archaeological sites. It all starts to look like a Rohrschact test after a while.

I like seeing GOOD photographs...however, some of this last batch from
Visoco are not graphic enough to really show anything interesting.
I stared at them for a while but could only see some rocks under the dirt.

Ciko, I'd like to see more pictures (thanks for these), but how about only the good ones?
For example, I like the one that shows the guy squatting over the straight-line joint
between the big slabs. It shows scale as well as a perhaps significant structural
feature.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:42 am
by Ciko
Ciko, I'd like to see more pictures (thanks for these), but how about only the good ones?
For example, I like the one that shows the guy squatting over the straight-line joint
between the big slabs. It shows scale as well as a perhaps significant structural
feature.
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:39 am
by Guest
It must just be me, as I still don't see anything particularly artificial looking. :?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:05 am
by Frank Harrist
Minimalist wrote:
Frank Harrist wrote:No. There was a similar flood in that area. I'll have to find it and show you. I'm not sure exactly when or where it was, but a glacial lake burst it's ice dam and flooded a good portion of the northwest at some point. Sorry to be so vague, but I can't remember the details. If I forget to research it, you remind me, Bob.

Perhaps the Choctaw were influenced by both the Yakima and Black Sea?
Choctaw (Mississippi):
A prophet was sent by the high god to warn of a coming flood, but nobody took notice. When the flood came, the prophet took to a raft. After several months, he saw a black bird. He signaled it, but it just cawed and flew away. Later, he sighted and signaled a bluish bird. The bird flapped, moaned dolorously, and guided the raft towards where the sun was breaking through. Next morning, he landed on an island with all kinds of animals. He cursed the black bird (a crow) and blessed the bluish one (a dove). [Gaster, p. 116]
I do not dispute that there are flood myths all over the world. I can explain some, but the explanations for some are yet to be determined. As for the missionaries burning them at the stake, well lots of cultures incorporated their own beliefs into the christian teachings. In south america especially the christian faith has many things from their old religion incorporated into it. They kinda did it on the sly sometimes, but you can still see it even today. Also I do not believe that the Choctaw myth originally included the word "dolorously", so it had to have been re-written by someone. Things that are re-written are often re-interpreted. This myth may just have been the Choctaw version of the flood myth they heard from the missionaries.

(I know what you're doing, Bob.) :wink:

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:16 am
by Ciko
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