pre clovis america

[marduk]

That implies some sort of cultural affinity between groups that, I don't think, has been established yet.

its solidly established both in mythology and genetics

[Minimalist]

That implies some sort of cultural affinity between groups that, I don't think, has been established yet.

its solidly established both in mythology and genetics

For Pleistocene man living during the Ice Age?

Genetics prove nothing. We merrily murder our genetic equals everyday because they either do or do not wear towels on their heads.

Are you willing to grant Hancock's position that these myths go back to the Ice Age?

[Beagle]

Research Article
Ancient transpacific voyaging to the new world via Pleistocene South Pacific Islands
Steve Wyatt *
Wildwood, Missouri

*Correspondence to Steve Wyatt, 15 Whitsetts Fork Ridge Road, Wildwood, Missouri 63038

Abstract
How humans first arrived in America remains a mystery. Although the Beringian and coastal options have been discussed in detail, a transpacific route from the Old World to the New World via the islands of Oceania has been essentially ignored. Of the many factors involved in completing such a voyage, besides an adequate watercraft, landfall frequency and prevailing winds and currents were most important. A chain of islands in the landless eastern South Pacific, with its consequent and possibly favorable modifications of regional sea surface currents, would have been particularly beneficial to eastbound mariners. Comparing present-day bathymetry with estimated late Pleistocene glacially induced sea level fluctuations suggests that latent islands may actually exist, especially when the effects of other geological phenomena are also considered. If exposed during the last glacial maximum (LGM), such a chain of islands could have provided facilitating layover points for ancient eastbound seafaring explorers, thus making a transpacific journey more plausible. © 2004 Wiley Periodicals, Inc.Geoarchaeology
Volume 19, Issue 6 , Pages 511 - 529

Published Online: 6 Jul 2004

Anybody read this article? Something worth consideration. Prior to LGM,
a whole chain of islands once provided layover points for early transpacific sea travel. Along with the currents to move them eastward.

This points out very well what we have been talking about Roberto. It may also account for the African features that are evident in some of the mesoamerican art.

[Minimalist]

Was there a link to that article?

[marduk]

Are you willing to grant Hancock's position that these myths go back to the Ice Age?

when did anything become hancocks position
his position in this area is that there was a master race going around the world and teaching everyone the same skills and mythology in the ice age
thats complete bollox

[marduk]

This points out very well what we have been talking about Roberto. It may also account for the African features that are evident in some of the mesoamerican art.

specifically what mesoamerican art are you talking about ?

[Minimalist]

his position in this area is that there was a master race going around the world and teaching everyone the same skills and mythology in the ice age
thats complete bollox

Nonetheless, those same myths that you were trumpeting a moment ago seem to have similar "deities" performing similar tasks and using similar symbols. The Club does not like that idea because it claims there was no contact between these disparate cultures...but there they are.

[marduk]

The Club does not like that idea because it claims there was no contact between these disparate cultures...but there they are.

the club claims no such thing
be difficult for something that doesnt actually exist to claim anything imho
have you ever actually looked at the solid genetic evidence that traces where we all came from and how we got to where we are Min going back as far as 100,000 bp
Hancock certainly hasn't
if he had he'd realise that his assertions were groundless
and so would diffusionists

i'll give you an example
would you be surprised to know that an englishman now living in america still supports an english football team and can name all the players

[Minimalist]

be difficult for something that doesnt actually exist to claim anything imho

Yeah, yeah...we know.

[marduk]

you really think that universities that offer archaeology degrees send out a questionaire to all prospective students that starts with
1) are you willing to cover up the truth from the public when you find it

every university in the world must be doing this for the club to be real
maybe you should try a archaeology degree yourself to test you theory eh

[john]

ok, all. let's take just one lonely example....

just how did the solutrean flint-knapping techne, which, by the way was a radical, unique departure from the previous paleolithic sequence of flint-knapping, find its way to america? specifically, as a type indicator for the clovis culture.

how can we make sense of the fact that we have a sophisticated techne that is a type indicator on two continents for two different cultures, interestingly enough, spaced about 4-6k years from the "disappearance" of the solutrean culture from europe to the "appearance" of the clovis in america.

eat the elephant one bite at a time.............


john

[marduk]

where does it say that the solutrean technique is identical to clovis
did i miss something ?

[Beagle]

Well John, there is the theory of the European connection. I don't discount it and hold it open as a very real possibility.

The European style, progressing from Mousterian, Aurignacian, and to Solutrean is quite plain in Europe. Many people feel that paleolithic man was then able to venture over the Atlantic Ice Bridge, hunting marine animals along the way.

Many scientists disagree with this theory completely. I think it's possible.

[marduk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Models_of_ ... _New_World

Many scientists disagree with this theory completely

yeah but thats because they require some actual evidence and don't go on an uneducated personal belief
fools eh

[Beagle]

Do you ever know what you're talking about?