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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:15 pm
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote:
In fact, William Dever suggests that even Judah was not monotheistic until after the Babylonian Exile.
That concept could be further explored by diving into the story of the golden calf. What godly monotheistic society left on their own without their Moses for a short time immediatly makes a golden calf and begins to worship it...one can insert imaginative script that might include nude dances around the calf and some sort of human sacrifice.

I think the evidence that they were NOT monotheistic is in the bible, albeit watered down over the generations to make that fact seem less important than Moses getting those stone tablets. Aaron apparently did not hold as much influence over the minions and could not halt their determined bid to make the calf.
One then jumps to considering other cultures in which the cow/bull/calf is of some high regard...and one wonders even more.

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:32 pm
by marduk
One then jumps to considering other cultures in which the cow/bull/calf is of some high regard...and one wonders even more
thats all of them

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:32 pm
by Minimalist
Dever's point is that in spite of the happy horseshit in the bible there seems to have been a gulf between the court and the temple and the people in the countryside who did not pay a whole lot of attention to the central government and kept on worshipping their ancient Canaanite gods no matter what the Boss Hooter in Jerusalem said.
As evidence he points to numerous figurines of the goddess Asherah which have been found in Judean tombs from the late monarchial period.
As for the golden calf....the Egyptians worshipped the Apis bull and if you are going to make up a story about people worshipping idols you may as well make it about one that was actually in vogue in Egypt. Besides, it would draw attention away from the fact that the Egyptians paraded their gods around in Arks carried on poles during the Apet ceremony...just like the Hebrews claimed they did with their Ark.
It's all a jumble, isn't it?

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:38 pm
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote: Besides, it would draw attention away from the fact that the Egyptians paraded their gods around in Arks carried on poles during the Apet ceremony...just like the Hebrews claimed they did with their Ark.
It's all a jumble, isn't it?

LOL not really. Not considering how closely "related" these folks are,(my ark is your ark) how much they borrowed from each other...it boggles my mind how religions are created...think about it..an obscure group of people with some of their own, and some of the other's spiritual practices all mixed together in a blender...has become the foundation for a major world religion. Someone needs to write a book from Bull to God
ON that same note, think of Mohammad the peodophile (his wife Aisha was six when he married her and nine when he sexed her up) and Joseph Smith the con man...L.Ron Hubbard the fiction writer...in current times all of them would be in jail

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:40 pm
by Minimalist
Not considering how closely "related" these folks are, how much they borrowed from each other
That sentiment would get you beaten up by both sides. They hate it when outsiders tell them how alike they are.
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:42 pm
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote:Not considering how closely "related" these folks are, how much they borrowed from each other
That sentiment would get you beaten up by both sides. They hate it when outsiders tell them how alike they are.
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If Father Abraham had not taken his "name" so literally things would not be such a mess. Adultery must be OK as long as your wife brings you the maid...think of it..Hagar+Abraham=middle east turmoil for thousands of years.
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:44 pm
by Minimalist
Hey, when it comes to nookie no one pays too much attention to some dusty old book.
Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:01 pm
by clubs_stink
Minimalist wrote:Hey, when it comes to nookie no one pays too much attention to some dusty old book.
which brings us right back to what some may feel is my crazy concept of the world. Man+Woman=
I can solve most mysteries with that simple equation.
What is the likelyhood of HE, Neanderthal genes mixing?
man+woman=
ect ect ect.
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:44 am
by Digit
Morning Min. The OT is full of attempts by the prophets to bring the Israelites back to the true faith with every setback blamed on their stubborness and worship of false Gods.
In more modern terms Jewishness is often seen more as an ethnic condition than a religious one, both by Jews and non-Jews alike. Hitler defined a Jew as having one Jewish grandparent, the same definiton as used by Israel for people wanting citizenship.
Man + Woman
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:23 am
by Cognito
Man + Woman =
Clubs, the corollary to your statement would be: Male + Female =
That allows humans to copulate with damn near anything which, as we know, they will. Just think how great Neanderthal females would look compared to sheep or goats.
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:51 am
by Digit
Strange that Clubs. When I made your observation about Mohammed I was called a racist when I mention Smith nobody said a blind word!
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:11 am
by Minimalist
The OT is full of attempts by the prophets to bring the Israelites back to the true faith with every setback blamed on their stubborness and worship of false Gods.
Easy to do when you are writing after the fact.
Re: Man + Woman
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:37 pm
by clubs_stink
Cognito wrote:Man + Woman =
Clubs, the corrollary to your statement would be: Male + Female =
That allows humans to copulate with damn near anything which, as we know, they will.
Just think how great Neanderthal females would look compared to sheep or goats.
That is exactly my hypothosis.

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:40 pm
by clubs_stink
Digit wrote:Strange that Clubs. When I made your observation about Mohammed I was called a racist when I mention Smith nobody said a blind word!
It's not racist to state a fact. FACT if a man now days were to have sex with a 9 year old, he'd go to jail and be labled a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Smith was a nutcase and a KNOWN con man. He figured out how to make some dough, and just watching the televangelists selling vials of blessed holy water on TV at night...well he's not the ONLY one.

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:52 pm
by marduk
Strange that Clubs. When I made your observation about Mohammed I was called a racist
when was that ?