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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:27 am
by Charlie Hatchett
No I had not seen it. Funny. But like most TV documentaries, they don't have the look right. But then it wouldn't be as funny.
Here's a few recent Neanderthal recontructions:
Neanderthals had strong, yet high-pitched, voices that the stocky hominins used for both singing and speaking, says a UK researcher.
The theory suggests that Neanderthals, who once lived in Europe from around 200,000 to 35,000 BC, were intelligent and socially complex.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1323798.htm
That's funny. Imagine these stocky, muscular individuals with high-pitched voices...
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:14 am
by DougWeller
Beagle wrote:DougWeller wrote:Beagle wrote:That's a neat possibility there Charlie. There is good evidence that Neandertal man made bone flutes.
I remember the pictures of the site where you work. The erosion looked fairly extensive. I take it that the whole bank is being eroded pretty quickly?
I would say that there is disputed evidence that Neandertal man made bone flutes, not good evidence.
Morley, Iain. 2006. Mousterian musicianship? The case of the Divje
Babe I bone. Oxford Journal of Archaeology 25(4): 317-333.
Summary. The reputed Neanderthal 'flute' from the Slovenian site of
Divje babe I has stimulated much interest and detailed research since
the original publication of its discovery in 1997. In spite of nearly
ten years' worth of analysis and discussion its status as an artefact
has remained ambiguous; nevertheless it is still frequently cited as a
'flute'. This paper examines the literature and research regarding
this object, and finds that much of the ambiguity regarding the
object's status derives from the literature itself. It concludes that
there is no need to invoke hominin agency in explaining the features
of the bone.
This earlier paper by Morley discusses the bone:
http://www.dar.cam.ac.uk/dcrr/dcrr002.pdf
Doug
C'mon Doug - it's only disputed in the sense that ALL things Mouseterian are disputed. For years now, any new discovery is automatically met with derision and dispute by certain groups of experts.
We can post opposing evidence for weeks. I'll pass though. In the end, I think there wil be quite a few surprises regarding Neandertal.
What in the world are you talking about? The Mousterian period, usually called the Middle Paleolithic, lasted around 150000 years and stretches across Europe and Asia and from Britain to North Africa. You would expect some disagreements but it is simply not true that 'all things' from that period are disputed.
And the 'flute' is disputed in any sense of the word.
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:19 am
by Minimalist
That's classic, Min!
Crazy Gary Larson.....he used to be part of my morning routine along with Doonesbury and Bloom County back then.
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:49 am
by Charlie Hatchett
Crazy Gary Larson.....he used to be part of my morning routine along with Doonesbury and Bloom County back then.
He's funny. Is he the same one that created the "stone tool" comic (where the man's trying to figure out which stone is the hammer, or wrench...basically making fun of interpreting old tools)? That's also a classic.
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:16 am
by Minimalist
That's him.....also this one
but this is one of my all-time favs.
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:14 am
by marduk
that second picture isn't a neanderthal
its a bbc tv presenter
unless you're claiming Neanderthals had london buses and brown leather jackets
hmmm
ok forget about the brown leather jacket bit
obviously they all had one of them
hey the fonz is a neanderthal
thats why he only ever had the one monosallybic line
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:38 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
that second picture isn't a neanderthal
its a bbc tv presenter
unless you're claiming Neanderthals had london buses and brown leather jackets
hmmm
ok forget about the brown leather jacket bit
obviously they all had one of them
Ha! A living fossil!!
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:16 am
by Minimalist
I think I used to work for this guy.
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:33 am
by Charlie Hatchett
I think I used to work for this guy.
Ha! I missed that comment, Min!!
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:29 am
by Minimalist
I don't miss him a bit!
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:04 pm
by Charlie Hatchett
I don't miss him a bit!